80 bud progress pics so far...

[eddieh]

alright Paul wanted a few naked wood pics, not much to see but here goes I think I got him nervous with that big AMERICAN MADE!!!! CAN O WHOOPAZZ!!!!!!!!:D Just kidding brutha, my building isn't to pauls standards but I am working on it..
first one
http://home.comcast.net/~ejhansen/bud1.jpg

[eddieh]

here's one that shows the diagonal planking
http://home.comcast.net/~ejhansen/bud5.jpg

[eddieh]

ok since there isn't more to see this is the last one till the sponsons are done...
http://home.comcast.net/~ejhansen/bud4.jpg

[Paul]

Hi Eddie,

Thanks for the pics! I think it's looking great, very interesting deck planking. I would call you a sissy for not going with a full deck sheet but anyone building a monster like this is no sissy, lol. Plus you have to glass the deck and that alone would scare the stuff out of me.:D

I really want to build another one, like the Vacationville. A modern hull with an exposed V-12, how friggin cool. Maybe next year.

Paul.

[eddieh]

Originally posted by Paul
Hi Eddie,

very interesting deck planking. I would call you a sissy for not going with a full deck sheet
Paul.

Paul last time I checked they didn't plank the real boats with one sheet so it wouldn't be scale LOL... if you have to go over a lot of curves (boat building that is LOL) it's a nice way to do it.....

yes an exposed motor would be great!! I have the plans for the 73 bud as well... and since Randy decided his was the lincoln thrift I may build that too depends on how cold and snowy the winter is LOL.... I have the plans from roger for both the allison and the rolls...... thanx for the comps, thetop is completely sheeted now....:)

[Eddy Matthews]

Looking real good Eddie - What are you going to power this monster with? Cells, motor and prop?

Regards
Eddy

[AndyKunz]

Originally posted by Eddieh
...I may build that too depends on how cold and snowy the winter is LOL....

All I know is that if the temperature had been about 10 degrees lower the past two weeks, we'd have snow to our rooftops. You guys would be in even worse straights - they'd have snow in Manhattan!

:D

I'm tired of rain! Give me snow or sunshine!!

Andy

[eddieh]

Originally posted by Eddy Matthews
Looking real good Eddie - What are you going to power this monster with? Cells, motor and prop?

Regards
Eddy

Hey Thanx Fellas,
Eddy, wellllll hmm I am going to use an astro 60 6turn 652 rpm per volt 1800+ watts actually I was surprised to see the numbers are very very close to a plett 355/45/4T in both weight rpm and draw and it has 4 brushes which in my mind will enhance current flow into the motor ( I could be wrong !!that isn't unusual:D ) the prop hasn't been decided yet, but it'll be in the neighborhood of 53-60 mm I was looking at the propshop offerings for a 4 blade cleaver. I am using an emperor 32 controller (ANDY K) I will use 32 GP 3300's by the time everything is said and done we may be up to fuel cell technology...LOL...
you know me eddy it is all about the building, but if things keep getting this expensive I may have to sell you my mahagony shovelnose after all :)

theres a link to a motor pic here
http://www.rumrunnerracing.com/feforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12334

[Kmot]

Looks real nice Eddie!

[Eddy Matthews]

Thanks for the info Eddie - Why a brushed motor though? Just curious why you chose that over a brushless setup...

I've been looking at Roger Newtons plans, and U3 Miss Renault (1983) or U6 Dewalts (1996) appeal to me - Being almost totally color blind, yellow is one of the few colors I can see! :)

Miss Renault with it's exposed engine would look great as either a static display or on the water..... Maybe it's time to bite the bullet and get one built?

Regards
Eddy

[eddieh]

Originally posted by Eddy Matthews
Thanks for the info Eddie - Why a brushed motor though? Just curious why you chose that over a brushless setup...

I've been looking at Roger Newtons plans, and U3 Miss Renault (1983) or U6 Dewalts (1996) appeal to me - Being almost totally color blind, yellow is one of the few colors I can see! :)

Miss Renault with it's exposed engine would look great as either a static display or on the water..... Maybe it's time to bite the bullet and get one built?

Regards
Eddy


Well I like to think if it works well enough with an astro 60, it wouldn't be such a stretch to see a lot more guys building it, I am tremendously impressed with the E-RCU guys are doing with 1/10th scale they all use an astro 25 5 turn, and some are getting in the 45mph range But they are ALL having fun and if you go to their website http://www.e-rcu.org/ look through the meets .... looks like a blast!!!!!!!! anyway I thought I would kinda keep the same idea going an use an astro not to mention the cost of the motor and controller in a brushless setup is a easy Grand.....

anyway the renault huh! I believe all the cowling etc from the atlas van lines will fit.. and with your building skills,
should be a piece of cake...

Tom Thanks Man!!!


Thanks for the comps gents

[froggy]

another yellow boat would be the Team Velocity hull. It was a copy of the blue blaster, so it could be the yellow blaster! except it never blasted anything.

[eddieh]

ok, I finished the top sheeting, she's looking more like a boat now LOL thought I would post a pic to get some gravy flowing to the couch potatoes thinking of building one ...Just kidding guys I had the frames sitting over a year before I got remotivated but now I am hot to trot..
http://home.comcast.net/~ejhansen/80_bud_001.jpg

[eddieh]

after listening to all the input, i sheeted the bottom with 1/16th ply as suggested by Paul P good choice in my opinion very very stiff, I also anguished over the whole anhedral dehedral thing and decided to go with what the experts say.. so I left the dehedral in, the bottom is also stepped (this is legal right lol)
http://home.comcast.net/~ejhansen/80_bud_002.jpg

[eddieh]

here is a little better view, this is the right sponson by the way

http://home.comcast.net/~ejhansen/80_bud_003.jpg

[Paul]

Hey Eddie,

Looks killer man, nice work! When is your cowl going to show up? I think the cowls extend all the way forward, have you given any thought to how you'll build your hatch? What's the width in the motor well, 5 inches?

Paul.

[eddieh]

Thanx Paul, Troy said It would be just after the holidays, yeah the cowl comes forward, and I was waiting till they show up before doing any trimming and such as far as the hatches go still thinkin about it ..any thoughts.. and yes the well is a bit over 5 inches it is 12inches between sponsons

[eddieh]

Hey Paul Man Thanx for the advice on the zpoxy... I managed to lay down the cloth on half of the top side of the hull, I did one side last night and will do the other top side tonight, I used the 2 oz cloth as you recommended, I normally only use the very light stuff... well I have to say it laid down very nice, I used an automotive putty squeegee to skim off the excess poxy and get out any air bubbles, I am very happy with the first half results... Thank you...

question ? do you normally put a second coat over this of epoxy? I usually leave a lot more epoxy on, but with a hull this size it would add a lot of weight... I did some minor filling with balsarite which weighs nothing....
I was thinking of shooting it with fiberfill once all the glass work is done, but this can be heavy.. maybe just a few coats of thick primer, and some glazing putty??? I have decided to have a rear access hatch for the strut similar to your atlas, Can't wait for those cowls to show... man o man a shevitz... will post some pics tonight...

[Paul]

Hello Eddie,

Sounds like your getting pretty close! Glad the Zpoxy worked out for you, it's a bit on the expensive side but I sure like how it sets up. I don't know what to tell you on the second coat of epoxy, I would go with a primer/filler if the cloth weave isn't to loose. With the satin weave cloth I use it's pretty easy to smooth over.

Paul.

[AndyKunz]

Eddie,

Definitely DON'T put another coat of epoxy on - it will only add weight, not strength. Use a filler to close the weave - Piranha Putty is great for this, or any of the "lite" fillers made for the purpose.

Andy

[eddieh]

Thanx Paul/Andy, I was thinking that, This is the first time I used a squeegee and I have to say it came out very very smooth... can I use the red devil lite spackle and then seal it with auto primer or would it be too soft?

[AndyKunz]

Auto primer is pretty heavy stuff too, but the finish is great. They make lighter fillers for aircraft.

I would use either a styrene-based (ie, something like Squadron) or epoxy filler (these are lighter than epoxy resins and glues).

YGM - I sent you an e-mail on who to ask.

I don't know how Red Devil will take to the resin. It's worth a shot, but it isn't a hard finish which is probably what you really want.

Andy

[eddieh]

I posted a pic or two of the progress on the astro thread here's where I am at,
well it took me awhile to figure out where to put everything offset, no off set, past the transom, at the transom etc etc, I ended up putting the motor on the c/l which makes it slightly offset in this tunnel , I have the rudder positioned, servo in, strut positioned stuffing tube in, turn fin is up in the air, the cowl has been fitted, I just finished closing off the nose part of the tunnel, need to make the rear hatch, and a little more body work and paint, then the details. here are the some progress pics.
this is the motor with a slight s bend after all
http://home.comcast.net/~ejhansen/astro60-002.jpg

[eddieh]

this is how it is looking with the cowl fitted
http://home.comcast.net/~ejhansen/beastfromdaeast.jpg

[eddieh]

there are some more pics here
http://www.rumrunnerracing.com/feforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14764
basically I have water cooled the brushes from tips from Jim Clark/Andy K, I will start to clean up the tunnel, batts can go all the way to the front and I made a little box under the nose of the cowl for the receiver batts should I need more weight in the nose.

I just finished the bodywork in front it's ready for primer and spot glaze, and with any luck i'll have the rear hatches done by next weekend.

[K.R.Joye]

Eddie WOW you've come a long way! Looking really good. What the bare hull weight with cowl now?

I have a feeling that Astro is going to kick out some big rooster!

Don't count out the brushed boats guys. Were coming out real strong this season! :D

[T.S.Davis]

Andy,

How is Piranah Putty for shrinkage?

I heard from a car guy that bondo red putty can shrink for up to a month.

[T.S.Davis]

Suddenly i'm full of questions. Is it really necessary to glass 1/16 ply? It's pretty tough stuff. I was thinking of just sealing with epoxy and call it done.

[K.R.Joye]

Terry no glass is needed. A light Epoxy seal coat will work fine. Get goin on that thing buddy, the snow is melting. LOL :D

[T.S.Davis]

working on it.

Almost ready for deck. Paint is ordered. Should be in today.

[eddieh]

Originally posted by T.S.Davis
Suddenly i'm full of questions. Is it really necessary to glass 1/16 ply? It's pretty tough stuff. I was thinking of just sealing with epoxy and call it done.

Terry, I glassed the whole thing, even the 1/16th ply sponsons, that is a lot of seams that can split and it is cheap insurance, I listened to Pauls advice on this one , I used 2 oz cloth, and z-poxy, however my friend picked up a super nice weave and 3 oz cloth for his, I used a squeegee to remove the excess resin, so weight won't be excessive. Body putty does shrink but not that much, when you say red putty I think you mean glazing putty? this is just a thick lacquer based primer and it WILL shrink for up to 8 weeks, this will become apparent after wetsanding and polishing, a few weeks later you will see what you tried to cover.. a better alternative would be to spray feather fill polyester based primer it is thick, and wet sands easily, you do need a spray gun, and the fumes are harsh...

I finished the Hatches and tunnel opening last night woohoo, it's getting there.... now to do the final spot body work and mount the tail feathers pics to follow.......


Ken the brushed boys are coming along!!!

[eddieh]

hey fellas thought I would post some more progress pics, I have final fitted the Troy McIntire cowl, sanded it and gave a coat of filler primer, plus I wet sanded out a few "waves" not many but a few, I fitted the interior "shell" this was also from troy and features a nice tuck and roll look,
here is a pic on the bench
http://home.comcast.net/~ejhansen/80_bud_014.jpg

[eddieh]

The tail feathers also came from Troy, I trimmed the pieces, and then built an interior ladder of carbon fiber rod to brace it a bit, you can see them in the previous shot,

I made the air intake scoop from nickle silver sheet, it solders easy, and polishes just like chrome
http://home.comcast.net/~ejhansen/80_bud_015.jpg

[eddieh]

I cut the rear vents as per rogers plans, and then in browsing some pictures I saw the vents on the side, so I cut the vents on the side (they were marked on rogers plans, I used some pastistruct sheet for the sides, came out pretty good, I added aluminum screening this is a fine mesh from the craft store it is usually used for making plaster frames of say a hand etc, it also comes in copper and can be soldered...
anyway it's getting there......
http://home.comcast.net/~ejhansen/80_bud_016.jpg

[eddieh]

well nearly forgot, I was originally going to have the rear of the cowl lift off seperately, so I cut the cowl in half.... well then I am thinking why do this? so I could put a scale rolls underneath? well without doing a lot of surgery to the hatchers it would never look right with a rolls kinda glued to the hatch, and it would add a lot to my building time, so I said ahhhhh dennis is just gonna drive over it anyway so why bother LOL... anyway and it was a lot easier to hide the mounting screws with it in one piece, so I made dummy pass throughs for the scoop and will do the same for the tubes, and then had to put the two pieces back together boy what an a$$hol3 I am....:D

[Capt Ron]

keep them pic's a come'n... :hail:


Ron

[eddieh]

Thanks Cap'n appreciate it:)

ok maybe some hardware pics, here is the sturt brackets I made from .125 aluminum angle, bolted through the bottom using stainless filister countersunk screws so they sit flush on the bottom
http://home.comcast.net/~ejhansen/80_budstrut_001.jpg

[eddieh]

here is another,
I milled in some details for no good reason but my vanity,no one is gonna see this, it doesn't show but I am funny that way to me it adds a little something, and yes it is polished LOL... some details of the hatch cover too, I will use some blind screws and some of the same fillisters to sit flush on the deck, and these will be painted the same as the deck so as not to be too noticeable,
anyway the further you get the more little pinholes, nicks, scratches show up so back to the dungeon.....
http://home.comcast.net/~ejhansen/80_budstrut_002.jpg

[Dan Chase]

WOW!!!

Man Eddie, that things is looking OUTSTANDING!!! :hail:

Is that tuck & roll I see in the cockpit??? I love the little vent screens in the back of the cowl!

Sure is going to be a shame when Dennis leaves his prop mark over the top! :doh:

[eddieh]

Well Dan, Dennis is gonna have to catch me first.... Paul could do it but he is a much better driver then Dennis :D .

yeah that is tuck n roll.... wait till ya see the working gauges!! ;)
a friend of mine in my club made this little sound recorder from a chip and some bits and pieces, I thought it would be cool to have a little button on the dash that when pressed it plays the engine start up of the griffon bud on the harm site...LOL... man paint fumes gotta love em....

anyway lot's left to do but the light is at the end of the tunnel, figure a week or so till the base coat of paint, does anyone know anyone who makes water slide decals of the anheuser busch eagle? I guess I could air brush them but it'll take time... I have ordered the tinted pvc for the windscreens too....

[AndyKunz]

Are you going to have a "nitrous" sound effect too?

Andy

[eddieh]

Originally posted by AndyKunz
Are you going to have a "nitrous" sound effect too?

Andy

From what I heard I think Kelly Brooks and Alan have that covered, or was it Terry??? but I wouldn't call it laughing gas.......:D more like gagging a$$....:cool:
maybe the sound effect shouldn't be In the Boat???, it would make more sense if it would be on the boat stand....
sorry sometimes scale takes over my mind :shrug: I am trying to see if I can seperate the actual gauges from the pics sheltered posted, tough stuff....

[Kmot]

Lookin' good broh! And I know it is probably only one of a few boats you are working on at the same time! ;)