Let's name them...N2-OFFSHORE

[Steve Vasdekis]

I have been trying to find a N2 Offshore hull and have yet to make up my mind. Please list all the hulls that will work for me. Here is a list of criteria.

1. Must be a Vee hull
2. Must be some sort of glass
3. Most importantly, must be legal for offshore without being consider a surfboard or just getting by.

Thanks,
Steve

[eddieh]

Steve I bought an MHZ scorpion off of lou, definately a nice looking smaller offshore boat.. FG

[Steve Vasdekis]

Another thing I forgot to add...no steps. Does that boat have steps Eddie?

Steve

[AndyKunz]

Doesn't somebody have glass Force 21 or 22 they splashed? I thought I remember that being mentioned a while ago.

Andy

[T.S.Davis]

Steve,

Don't you want to be in the hunt?

Manx
Drifter M
Key
Scat
Stray


The only mono I can think of that has a shot is a No Step 1 and it's pretty shallow. Ray's new Dark Horse is sharp but I haven't seen it run. Randy's little OM is still respectable too.

Nobody is going to cry about surf boards in N2 either. There just aren't any to choose from. I'll bet you could whoop some butt with an MHZ Flash if you used the flood chamber. Self righting and stepped!

[Old Sloppy]

Originally posted by T.S.Davis
Steve,

Don't you want to be in the hunt?

Drifter M


What ???
Drifter M is 18 to 24+ cells.
Do you mean Drifter S ?
:) :)

[Old Sloppy]

Originally posted by Steve Vasdekis



2. Must be some sort of glass


Thanks,
Steve

Randy makes Carbon Fiber Oval Master(s)!

21" to 28"

Carbon Fiber

[T.S.Davis]

Originally posted by Old Sloppy
What ???
Drifter M is 18 to 24+ cells.
Do you mean Drifter S ?
:) :)

Drifter Micro

[raptor347]

Terry,
How does the micro drifter run when the water gets choped up by the bigger boats?

I was considering running my micro iceberg, but it really is too small. The micro drifter is just a bit bigger. I figured it would be too small, but I guess I'm wrong.

Also, what would you power it with?

Brian

[Patrick M]

Originally posted by raptor347
Terry,
How does the micro drifter run when the water gets choped up by the bigger boats?

I was considering running my micro iceberg, but it really is too small. The micro drifter is just a bit bigger. I figured it would be too small, but I guess I'm wrong.

Also, what would you power it with?

Brian You'll see in a couple of weeks....;)
But you're right, they don't take kindly to the rough stuff.

[raptor347]

Pat,
You're a bad man. My DH 26 is too big for N2. I guess I better get something put together in a hurry.

Brian

[Dr. Jet]

Would something like this work for N2-Offshore?

[Dr. Jet]

Nothing glued in yet, just making some bits and pieces to hold it all together.

[Dr. Jet]

The motor. I'd use one of Steve's motors, but I had this one lying around.

[Steve Vasdekis]

Is the no-step 1 legal for offshore?

Steve

[raptor347]

Originally posted by Steve Vasdekis
Is the no-step 1 legal for offshore?

Steve

I think (I could be wrong here) that the flat ride pad makes it illegal.

Rules guys, feel free to correct me.

Brian

[T.S.Davis]

No Step 1 is legal. I think Howard ran a NS1 in N2 at CAFE. Sucker is fast too.

Dennis Whitt still holds the world record with his Key West. It's still a solid contender in N2 offshore. Getting them setup to run as fast as Whitt's is an art though. Some kind of magic is performed by candle light. I don't ask.

[Steve Vasdekis]

OK. I am asking because on fine's website they say they are not legal.

Steve

[eddieh]

Originally posted by Steve Vasdekis
Another thing I forgot to add...no steps. Does that boat have steps Eddie?

Steve

sorry steve missed this yup it has steps...

[raptor347]

Originally posted by T.S.Davis
No Step 1 is legal. I think Howard ran a NS1 in N2 at CAFE. Sucker is fast too.

Dennis Whitt still holds the world record with his Key West. It's still a solid contender in N2 offshore. Getting them setup to run as fast as Whitt's is an art though. Some kind of magic is performed by candle light. I don't ask.

I stand corrected. I went back and reread the rules.

That being said, I would think a NS1 would make a great N2 offshore boat.

You really gotta worry about the guys waving dead chickens over their boats:eek:. I better go wipe the blood off those two shovels I've been working on (and you guys thought I was just sloppy with the red paint).

Brian

[Dr. Jet]

Brian,

It sounds like I need to wave a dead chicken over that KW before I put it in the water. What would happen if I used a dead cat (like the one just below the rudder in the first photo)? Could I expect similar results?

-Bill

[wf6h]

Originally posted by Dr. Jet
Brian,

It sounds like I need to wave a dead chicken over that KW before I put it in the water. What would happen if I used a dead cat (like the one just below the rudder in the first photo)? Could I expect similar results?

-Bill

No Bill it has to be a chicken! There are plenty up in Fallbrook! Just hit one on the way up there and you are covered!:p

[Dr. Jet]

Hey Ken,

We are planning a trip to the Fallbrook pond next weekend. Wanna come along?

Dr. Jet (a.k.a. Bill Knoll)

[wf6h]

Originally posted by Dr. Jet
Hey Ken,

We are planning a trip to the Fallbrook pond next weekend. Wanna come along?

Dr. Jet (a.k.a. Bill Knoll)

I'd like too Bill - But still in Therapy after surgery so won't be able to do much for a few months yet! But I will pull out a couple boats and see if I can get something going for the future..

[photohoward1]

Originally posted by Steve Vasdekis
OK. I am asking because on fine's website they say they are not legal.

Steve

Don't believe everything you read. ALL THE NO STEP DESIGNS ARE LEGAL FOR OFFSHORE!!!!

Some of the guys just don't think they are in the spirit of the class....

This is not a knock on Chris....(I just talked with him today) but I wish he would take that down.

Missinformation!!!!!

[T.S.Davis]

Chris has that on there (I think) jusr because the surf board offshore boats piss him off.

When that section was proposed for a revision there was some support for freeboard requirements but it was about equal to those that wanted more freedom. PLus in the smaller classes there just aren't many choices that are totally offshore (that's subject to opinion too). So we went with no freeboard restrictions. I still feel like there is no excuse for a guy to run a NS4 in T offshore. There are so many options in the larger offshore classes. The rules don't prohibit them but the guys you race against are going to redicule you. LOL

Sometimes I have this overwhelming urge to propose a freeboard requirement for Q, S, and T offshore but I always snap out of it before I start typing.

Spirit of inclusion and all.

[raptor347]

Originally posted by Dr. Jet
Brian,

It sounds like I need to wave a dead chicken over that KW before I put it in the water. What would happen if I used a dead cat (like the one just below the rudder in the first photo)? Could I expect similar results?

-Bill

Bill,
Cats just get hair balls all over the place. Beside that, they tend to cause uncontrolled attraction to carp just under the surface ;).


As few hulls that are out there, it may be time to start work on a DH 21 mono:rolleyes:. N1 mono and N2 offshore.

Brian

[Darin Jordan]

Originally posted by raptor347
As few hulls that are out there, it may be time to start work on a DH 21 mono:rolleyes:. N1 mono and N2 offshore.

Brian

O-Boy... Here we go again... PUT me down for one of the first ones out of the mold! :D ;)

[Dr. Jet]

Brian,

I've just finished laying CF mat on the tunnel of my Key West that will most likely be my N2 OS boat. I do have motors and some Fuller's hardware for an N2 Sport Hydro lying around though. How about we discuss a DH Shovel instead? With one of your hulls, I should probably forget all the Aveox motors that clutter my shop and have Steve put a "real" motor together for me.

-Bill

[raptor347]

Bill,
Let's wait and see how the big old heavy DH does against real N2 boats before we get too exited about this.

The DH is pretty big for N2 power.

Brian

[Dr. Jet]

Brian,

I have some 1409/1.5Ys and 1412/1.5Ys lying around so O and P configurations are options as well, but I do like the "cost effectiveness" of N boats. The problem is the Aveoxes are "old technology" now and aren't competitive against Steve's motors. I would call them OK for "sport" running at the local pond only.

I'm actually thinking about building a Speed 400 rigger and talking Wayne "Crash" Walker and others in our boating circle to race them. Sort of like the old days when we raced the Speed 400 pylon class. You remember, fast cheap and out of control. :)

Now if you come up with the aquatic equivalent of the "Stinger" we will have some real fun.

:beer:

-B

[Steven Vaccaro]

Originally posted by Dr. Jet
Brian,

I have some 1409/1.5Ys and 1412/1.5Ys lying around so O and P configurations are options as well, but I do like the "cost effectiveness" of N boats. The problem is the Aveoxes are "old technology" now and aren't competitive against Steve's motors. I would call them OK for "sport" running at the local pond only.


So your saying that if your not running a Neu motor that you may as well not race? I would say build it and see how it goes. I'm hearing great things from the guys using them now, but I somehow think that its takes more than a motor to win! This isn't oval carpet track rc car racing. In an arena like that you may be correct. Water has may more variables.

[Dr. Jet]

Steve,

You are assuming I have driving skills! I'm not so certain about that. I need every bit of technological advantage possible to keep up with you "real" racers.

-B

[Steven Vaccaro]

Bill buy a smash and dent hull in the swap shop and let the other racers worry about it!:D

Back to the topic, I used to sell the Graupner Cobra, very small, light and inexpensive.

[Dr. Jet]

Steve,

My first FE was a Graupner Mambo. I ran it totally stock with the Graupner running gear, including the Speed 600 motor and Rube Goldberg sliding hatch. I still keep it as a memento of the past. The Cobra was similar in size as I recall.

-B

[wf6h]

Originally posted by Dr. Jet

I'm actually thinking about building a Speed 400 rigger and talking Wayne "Crash" Walker and others in our boating circle to race them. Sort of like the old days when we raced the Speed 400 pylon class. You remember, fast cheap and out of control. :)
-B [/B]

Speed 400 rigger like the ones we ran in the Gecho? Now that sounds interesting! very interesting, I might even build one of those huummmmmmm!

[Dr. Jet]

Ken,

The Speed 400 pylon class mandated a stock S400 motor ($10 maximum - much cheaper if you look around) and any airframe. This kept batteries and ESC small (cheap) as well. In a small, light rigger this would probably make a fun to run racer. Wood riggers are easy to build (low parts count), and the small size makes them (you guessed it) CHEAP.

Take a look at the rigger 480 on this site. http://www.rbckits.com/

I'm thinking something along these lines.

This is getting away from the Offshore nature of this forum, so I suggest we continue this discussion on another more appropriate forum.

-B

[wf6h]

OK Bill
That looks like the one I was looking at on the Micro Hydro site!
Sounds good to me, I'm in!! When you come up with anything let me know..

[Old Sloppy]

Originally posted by wf6h
No Bill it has to be a chicken!

Does it matter if it is a fresh chicken or will a frozen one work ?

Perdue claims to sell "the best" chickens.

I can't afford any slip ups.

I am sending my wife to the store tonight,

I need all the help I can get...

Harry S. :) :) :)

P.S. My neighbor has some live chickens, maybe I'll just wait untill midnight.
now where is my black ninja suit & flashlight ?

[T.S.Davis]

Originally posted by raptor347
As few hulls that are out there, it may be time to start work on a DH 21 mono:rolleyes:. N1 mono and N2 offshore.


BRIAN!! Your not thinking of building a hull suited to the power available are you? Why that would mean the death of N2 Offshore. We'd all need new equipment. I'm just being a weeny. Now get back in the box please! LOL

The cats will be tough to beat. The water doesn't get choppy enough in N2 to make the cats unstable so a deep V doesn't have much of an advantage. My opinion of course. A shallow vee is a little hairy in traffic though.

Harry, I don't think you have to kill the chicken or anything. Live chickens would probably work. Even just a few chicken feathers. But you have to hold one feather in each hand and flap really fast. Your supposed to jump over the boat and cluck while flapping too. Don't forget the candles. I checked with Dennis. That's how he does it. PLEASE get the routine on film for us. You know... to share with the rest of the class. So we can all learn the proper procedure. It's all about advancing the hobby for everyone. Making us all faster in the end. no?

[Dr. Jet]

You mean to say I SHOULDN'T be biting the heads off of all these chickens??

:eek: