What's Next?

[Dr. Jet]

This build competition was a brilliant idea. I hope it does not fade into obscurity. It is a great way to stimulate interest in 1/16 scale hydros, building with wood, sharing techniques and ideas, and some good fun.

Eddie hinted there would be another build competition in the future. I have given this some thought and have a few suggestions. I thought an N-1 or N-2 offshore boat would be a good idea (I'd really like to build one of Doug Forrester's Manx Cats), but then Doug Campbell came up with his little kneel-down hydro kits (release is still pending as of this writing).

What a perfect selection for the "next" competition. This little thing could be built for very little cash if you powered it with a Speed 400 system. I just stuck a $50 mini brushless outrunner motor (4000Kv) in my second Gecko. I think this is the same or similar to the motor that was used in the micro rigger on Steve V's website (Offshore Elecs). A whole bunch of bang for a small budget. A motor like this should work in Doug's little hydro as well. Maniacs (like Brian) will cram a NeuMotor in it and have something that could compete with the Space Shuttle. 8)

I for one, like the idea of smaller boats (cheap! ;) ), and I prefer to stay with N, O and a maximum of P configurations. This would be a good way to get some of the smaller boats on the water and may stir up some club-class racing on a budget.

On the "down" side, there was considerable interest in this build when it started, and several dozen people signed up. As of today, only one boat has hit the water and four or five are getting close. My build is taking a long time, mainly due to the level of detail I have chosen to apply. I have this nagging feeling that several people saw the level of scale detail I was adding and felt that they would have to do the same to be in the running. That is not the case. The Short Circuit will never be race worthy and will only be used for making a few solo circuits around the bouys for show purposes. Kinda like the all-show, no-go lead-sleds I mentioned in another thread.

You guys building race-worthy boats should already be going fast, turning right, and making rooster-tails. What has happened? Where did everybody go? There are a boatload of prizes and bragging rights to be won, and it looks like the list of finishers will be short. I hope this does not have a negative impact on the next build competition.

Come on Eddie, give it up. What are you thinking for the next one? Will there be a next one?

[eddieh]

Doc, I am only one of the Cogs in this here machine... This contest was brought around by a group effort, from the Top to the Bottom...and I have to say it is a gas,

we will reveal all in the fullness of time, we haven't completed this build yet, and we are now getting to the fun stuff... the awards and judging... I am looking for some VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we have about 3 weeks left...

I can Only say we ARE going to have another build contest....:wave:

[hydronut]

:wave: For the next build consider a 1/10 scale Crackerbox? N-1 class, CHEAP to build, straight forward design, FAST FAST FAST, and what a kick in the butttt to Race!!! JUST AN IDEA. The hydro build has been a gas. But I love hydros. :yeah:

[R.J.West]

A crackerbox build would be kinda cool. I have built several from scratch years ago and they were a blast.

[eddieh]

be a crackerbox, but it might be an n-1 or 2 mono......
if I had my druthers it would be a 12 cell 700 powered gold cupper of the past, like the baby bootlegger, the rainbow, delphine, dixie etc... but that really isn't practical for a contest.... maybe an outboard type hydro???? I think the campbell outboard looks like a blast and with 480 small brushless could be a blast, dunno, we need to get this one done, then see whats up, but as I said Don has already mentioned he would like to keep this type of event going as a regular item here on the forum, so feel free to post your suggestions all will be considered..... maybe a nice cat????? what kinda plans are out there???

[JimClark]

How about a Micro build off?
Jim

[eddieh]

How about a Micro build off?
Jim
good suggestion jim.... I am assuming the 1/24th scale??

[JimClark]

It could be a range of sizes whatever would be considdered a Micro would do. Say like 15 to 17 inches.
Jim

good suggestion jim.... I am assuming the 1/24th scale??

[Old Sloppy]

Doc, I am only one of the Cogs in this here machine...
we haven't completed this build yet, and we are now getting to the fun stuff... the awards and judging...

Is it possible only a couple of boats will be "finished" and most of the judging will be on "unfinished hulls" ?
Gee, If I knew that I would have entered myself. L.O.L.

[eddieh]

Is it possible only a couple of boats will be "finished" and most of the judging will be on "unfinished hulls" ?
Gee, If I knew that I would have entered myself. L.O.L.


O.Sloppy, well it is all about effort, some folks work, some folks don't, some folks have started their build a few times, some are building for the first time, people have commitments outside the hobby, all I am saying is that to win you will probably need to complete it all, but if someone cannot finish by the deadline for whatever reason but has been working steadily, well it is about effort. no one is disqualified, they will be judged on what they have done so far, is one or two people going to win every prize?.... ummm no......:yeah:


you should have built one.....they are too kool...:wave:

[Old Sloppy]

You are right !

I am kicking myself.............

I had plans to build one of all lexan.

This would have been an interesting build to actually race with.

I would have had the most origional design for sure..

[Dr. Jet]

........, so feel free to post your suggestions all will be considered..... maybe a nice cat????? what kinda plans are out there???

I know Doug Forrester's Manx Cat is a solid N-2 performer. What would it take to get his plans for the next one? I for one, would be willing to buy plans at his "MSRP" if they were available. Alan at Astec Models has a couple of interesting vacuum-formed micro cats from GTM Models on his website that may make great candidates for a build-off. Does anybody have any experience with these hulls?

I'm kinda "burned out" on building at this moment :rolls:, and my shop looks like a small thermonuclear device was detonated on the workbench. I need some inspiration to clear it off and build a stand for the Short Circuit. Then I need to finish the Key West. With the summer soaring season heating up, my weekends don't allow as much building time as do the winter months.

Once those current projects are completed, I could think about beginning another endeavor (or endeavour for those of you on the other side of the pond).

[eddieh]

Doc, first even if you bought Dougs plans, we would need his permission to distribute (free download) there are many plans out there.... what we do need is permission from the owners of those plans...

[Dr. Jet]

Eddie,

I never meant to imply that Doug's plans should be offered as a free download. What I was trying to say is that I would be happy to buy MY plans as part of the build and I would assume that others would buy them as well.

I know what level of work goes into producing a set of plans and I would never suggest that anyone give them away for free. Garry stepped up big-time by allowing his plans to be posted for free. I consider buying a set of plans part of the cost of building as much as glue, wood, paint, tools, hardware, or any other item that goes into the final product.

The same thing applies with the little micro-cat hulls on Alan's site, or Doug Campbell's Micro-Hydro. I would EXPECT all contestants to buy them at MSRP. If the designer/manufacturer WISHES to provide them at a reduced cost, that is sincerely appreciated, but not mandatory.

Let's face it, RC boats are not cheap, but they don't need to be overly expensive either; as long as the size and cell count is kept on the low side of the spectrum.

[eddieh]

doc I wouldn't imply that at all, but face it we are the now generation of boaters, we need to teach the new boaters the future generation of boaters that stuff doesn't have to be all store bought, maybe the youngsters can make a deal with mom or dad, I'll take the project this far and if I make it will you help me along with x, y z (read cash LOL) for this to happen well plans should be downloadable or at least cheap (in lawnmowing/allowance money) you and I grew up building from sticks, but the kids nowadays, very few, we need to keep the art alive,

so ergo a free or nearly free plan... that's what I meant... :wave:

[Dr. Jet]

Those little cat hulls from Alan are about $30 retail and with combined shipping, could be made available for somewhere around $35 or so. Powered with a Speed 400 or 480, they could be built on the cheap. With a vacuum-formed hull, there's still lots of building to do.

Does anybody have experience with those hulls?

[eddieh]

doc if your willing to do the leg/phone work, to get this semi organized I can approcah the powers that be if we can "get er done" maybe something to race at the nats? I dunno, but we can try, I am swamped right now, and am trying to get the first competition finished LOL:yeah:

[Dr. Jet]

Eddie,

I'm just thinking aloud (er...on screen) here. If these hulls qualify for some class to race at the Nats, I'll do some legwork. I have never seen one of these hulls in person, so I don't know how they will perform.

I'll send Alan a PM and see what he can tell me about them.

[hydronut]

:) One thing I always thought would be fun for a build off. Would be some sort of a "free for all " kind of build. You could set the rules with something like an n-1 mono then set the size perameters and let the contestants do their own thing. If they have certain plans they want to use or materials that would be fine, others could design and build as they see fit. The main focus would be the finished product and it's worthiness. I think you would see some interesting ideas and techniques. And possibly a new class or record. It would be sort of like kit bashing. :wave:

[Dr. Jet]

I like Hydronut's idea and it has a lot of merit, but I'm not so certain "beginners" would be up to a "Design-Build-Race" type contest. After seeing his previous work (including his cars ;) ), I have absolutely no doubt he would come up with something completely amazing and possibly record-breaking. This idea would be a great deal for the experienced builders; but based on Eddie's post, one of the goals is to attract the new, the young, the inexperienced builders, and give them some examples to follow. Keeping costs low for the kids that only have lawnmowing money is a prime consideration as well.

I worked a lot with Mike (Tophall), and there were times he struggled with some of the ambiguities of the plans. Experienced builders would easily figure out the hidden details, but first-time builders might miss something critical. Asking them to add designing a hull to mix may make the task a bit too daunting. On the other side of the coin, I'd love to see what some of the "seasoned" builders would create in such a contest.

I sent Allan a PM regarding his micro hulls and he indicated we may be able to get "quantity discounts" on hulls. At $25 (or so) retail per hull, I think it already fits in the "Lawnmower Money" category. I did not suggest or imply he donate or reduce his MSRP. He also suggested we look at his micro-hydro and micro-shovelnose. Both are vacuum-formed hulls and would require simple building skills. Again, these hulls are relatively inexpensive, and could be powered with $10 motors, $30 ESC's and $20 batteries. It may be possible to put a boat in the water, ready to run (excluding radio) for about $100. That's not too many lawns to mow.

I have an MHZ Micro-Iceburg and it is too narrow to turn well at speed when it is BL powered. It has that roll & flip tendency. From the photos on Allan's website the micro-cat hull looks like it has a "wider" aspect ratio than the MHZ hull by a considerable amount. Allan says it corners well.

Another thought: What about a speed per dollar factor? If a $100 boat could go 25 mph, maybe it should get higher "points" than a $250 boat that would go 35 mph. Perhaps one of the parameters of the next build would be to keep track of costs and award "bonus points" for the guys that could scrounge, recycle, innovate, or otherwise build a given hull as inexpensively as possibe. Again, the idea here would be the "Lawnmower Money" factor.

These are just some early-moring musings before I've had my coffee. After I wake up and re-read them, they may not sound all that good. :rolls:

[eddieh]

I know it is another hydro, but I like the idea, here is some other early musings, we could say that allans hydros are fine, but also the 1/24th hydros from roger could be built, this would be a neat challenge for the more advanced builders and the scale nutz, either or, we could specify brushed power, and we could even have an article to convert a servo into a speed control. my friend has done this already, but most would prefer to buy it at 30 frog skins or so... hmmm interesting thoughts, not ruling anything out, but I really prefer they "build" something, what about a rigger? there are a lot of thoughts. :wave:

[Dr. Jet]

There has been a lot of interest in the micro-riggers lately. Low parts count (cheap), relatively easy to build, Speed 400 power (cheap), fast enough to keep some interest.

So many ideas, so little time..........

[Dr. Jet]

Isn't Roger's 1/24 hydro a "dropped sponson" hull? I know somebody here that likes those hulls. ;) I wouldn't mind building one myself, although I doubt it would be "hard-core" scale. ;) ;)

[eddieh]

drivers.... well I might be convinced to "donate" a 1/24th driver for each contestant that actually gets bones up on the forum, I also have a friend who is buddy buddy with dumas, now if we can get the vacuformed cowl for that olde atlas kit, ( what was that 17-18 inches or so) that could be cool too.

ok so maybe we can talk about power options say 400 motor, what are ya thinking for speed control batts, maybe a kontronic 3000? 25 bucks or so from tower.....

how about the ib1400's about 2.50 each so that is 20 bucks plus 25 for the controller, plus 20 for the motor, and maybe a cheap radio maybe a cen from offshore that could be had on the cheap.... so up and running at a 100 plus boat and hardware

[hydronut]

:yeah: Yes he does. But 1/24 scale I, could barely see the 1/16. :wave:

[Dr. Jet]

Lots of good ideas here guys. I like the idea of putting the emphasis on keeping it cheap. Are Roger's 1/24 kits "finalized" or are they still in the "Beta-testing" phase? I took a look at his posts over in the scale forum, and there haven't been many updates. I know he has a lot of irons in the fire, so getting the kits ready for production may be some time off.

I also have a friend who is buddy buddy with dumas, now if we can get the vacuformed cowl for that olde atlas kit, ( what was that 17-18 inches or so) that could be cool too.
Maybe my buddy can vacuum-form some 1/24 scale "Jet Cowls."

Yeah Eddie, I was thinking IB1400s for batteries. Maybe 6 cells with a 4.8V Speed 400. With a Speed 400 power system, the speeds obtainable would allow you to run a small course and keep it within sight.

Maybe we could create something like an "LSH400" class. The experienced guys could tweak them for maximum speed and/or scale; and the novices could build something on the cheap.

[Amp Eater]

What about a completly new twist say anything you want but must be truely micro such as a 1ft on the dot. Points for performance on the water / scale looks/ most inovative/points for being cheap with hand made hardware all sorts of possibilities. Guess this would be like a LSH280. Lipo's could keep things light or sub C type cells. The octura x427 should work with the right kv 280's.

[Dr. Jet]

What about a completly new twist say anything you want but must be truely micro such as a 1ft on the dot. Points for performance on the water / scale looks/ most inovative/points for being cheap with hand made hardware all sorts of possibilities. Guess this would be like a LSH280. Lipo's could keep things light or sub C type cells. The octura x427 should work with the right kv 280's.

Everything you said sounds good, but I would avoid the use of LiPos until they become more common in FE use.

I just sent my Schulze back to the "Fatherland" with a friend that was visiting from Germany for upgrades, including the LiPo charging software/hardware, but there are still many of us that do not have the equipment to handle lipos.

I think a limit of 6 cells of IB1400s (or smaller) would keep things on the cheap and we all have the technology to charge those without problems.

[eddieh]

Everything you said sounds good, but I would avoid the use of LiPos until they become more common in FE use.
I think a limit of 6 cells of IB1400s (or smaller) would keep things on the cheap and we all have the technology to charge those without problems.
Doc, good thoughts...

I am also thinking that the hardware must be made??? something simple, brass etc, then also maybe I can talk ned schmidt into making connectors for the 2.3 mm output shaft to a 1/16th (1.6 mm?) wire drive,at a good price then the hardware can be done with piano wire, and some brass tubes will give us our inexpensive bearings and shaft , maybe the guys who are really comfortable making hardware will take a little extra time, and do some good how to's...

anyway just thoughts and ramblings...:wave:

[Amp Eater]

Yes nicads sounds good to go and making hardware does cut costs down to the minimal. I have done rudders turnfins out of flat sheet stock aluminum or brass. Drive systems can be complex or simple depending on your skills. I like the ease of wire drives too. Its just a matter of having the access to materials. Eddieh a cuppler would be fantastic.
Even a straight drive with off the shelf cupplers would get the job done for most of the scale hydro's.
Off shore electrics have 26mm carbon props for 2mm drive lines as a option.
Many ways to keep it simple and still get a awesome running micro.

[Dr. Jet]

I am also thinking that the hardware must be made??? something simple, brass etc,

Eddie,

I don't know if all the newbies may have the tools and equipment to build hardware from scratch, but if someone with the appropriate machine tools could "rough-out" hardware "kits" it may just work. I'm thinking along the lines of a pre-cut brass rudder "outline" that would need final shaping, sharpening, and the post soldered on; and a pre-drilled (slotted?) brass strut bracket that needs to be soldered to the strut tube. These parts could even be laser or water-jet cut. Maybe someone with EDM capability could fabricate hardware kits. I think that is how Al P did my strut for the Short Circuit. I could whip out a quick-and-dirty 2D AutoCAD drawing in about 15 minutes for the flat sheet parts if I had some rough dimensions.

[Amp Eater]

Yes precut metal parts would greatly help and provide a standard for a 1ft class. So we need a rudder/ strut and turn fin that could be modified to work as a skeg for crackerbox style or used on the transoms right side as a turn fin for mono's. A L shaped motor bracket with a cuppler. And even the stuffing tube and drive line wouldnt hurt. Looking at the scope of a true micro class would allow the youth to pour in with the ability to afford and maintain there micro's.
For advance boaters this class will still be a blast all the same and give them some new problems to solve and perfect. There is a flood of small brushless in and out runners, leaving us all with a endless choice for unlimited 4 and 6cell classes.
I have a few self designed micros and the rudder lengths average 2.25LX1in wide. This size works well with a 11in mono. I have a 9in cracker box with a 3/4x1/2in single skeg and a 1.75x.50in rudder. What I have notice the most about these size boats is how easy it is to overpower them. Trimming and setup is tweeked to the hilt to get the most stable hual possible to allow the use of so much power. The speeds are shocking to spectators, as the're not prepared to see such a small craft scream down the straights.:)

Link to some video of the mono on the right.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=525770#post5568073

[Amp Eater]

Here is a reality check on what a 1ft rigger would appear size wise, open the thumbnail and it's right on the 1ft mark by blowing this up 50%. Right now this would be the 6in class lol.The prop is drawn out to 27mm. These little micro's should hual :moon: with the right brushless motor.:yeah:

[Dr. Jet]

Looks cool! Is it just me, or does the balance point look a little too far aft of the sponson?

[Amp Eater]

This is a fast and dirty effort to give a feel for size at 1ft. Everything is very close to actual size, the servo would be metal gear micro at around 9g. The motor drawn out is darn near on the money for a 280 size brushed motor. The batteries are a bit of a guess based on GP1100mah cells. Once blown up you will see the 6in mark. CG should be about 1/2 to 3/4in back of the turn fin. Im guessing but the cowls on most of the scale hydros should be able to house the upper area's of the motor. I need to reduce one of the plans to 1ft and do a trail fit with a brushed 280 motor to make sure. Should'nt be a problem with a brushless 280.

[Amp Eater]

Ok just checked the 1969 U-7 Notre Dame plan set reduced to 38% gets you 1ft and the 280brushed will fit, woot!

[Sanja Cowan]

very cool ideas fellas....2 years ago I goofed around with some parts & came up with the "Lil Bugger" rigger... 7.5" long GWS 350 motor,GWS 15 amp ESC,hitec shredder reciever,machined coupler,0.98 flex (Hee haww)
scratch hardware,6 motorolla startac aaa's.It goes like it saw a ghost.
Fast cheap stupid fun,Microstyle....
Here is a couple of pix of it in raw unfinished form.Gonna pull the 6800 mamba out of my mini T & dump it in : )

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/mucktar/thumb-Picture002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/mucktar/thumb-Picture003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/mucktar/Picture004.jpg

[eddieh]

guys cool thoughts however we need to see how big a draw micro boats will be as compared to mini's, but this is a good thread, don't want to see guys discouraged with all the micro talk just so everyone understands these are ideas not etchings, so lots can change from now till the next project.... :wave:

[Dr. Jet]

If it gets TOO small, it becomes more difficult for the less experienced to obtain the cells, ESCs, and such. Furthermore, getting a REALLY small boat to run well becomes more problematic. And then, small ripples on the pond look like huge tsunamis to an ultra-micro-tiny boat.

Speed 400 size would be about the smallest that I think would have appeal to the masses.

Riggers, while super-fast and relatively simple to build, just lack that certian "coolness" factor a semi-scale boat has. They just look like a box zipping around the pond. Monos are so common in "full-size" that I think they are rather "pedestrian" and lack that same sexiness. I vote for a cat or a semi-scale hydro that can be made to look like something.

[hydronut]

:eek: I agree totally with Dr,J. and Eddieh, Small is rough to build correctly. Not much room for error, And riggers can be a real trick to get them dialed in and tuned for best performance, I think riggers can be the most discourageing to young and new builders, And alot of us old farts do like them to look like a boat. I think you would draw more interest with a more versatile choice.:)

[Sanja Cowan]

Great opinions & its nice to see others interest in micros...For me personally (a young fart:pu: ) I preffer small & fast & naked,no scale stuff....It gets the mojo goin,to the point where my hands are shaking after a run....But its also nice to have a scaler to show off too.

[eddieh]

I preffer small & fast & naked,....It gets the mojo goin,
Ahhh Sanja I hear ya bud I dated a midget once, man she could run.. er ohhh sorry thinking about something else... LOL....:wave:

[Sanja Cowan]

Now that I read that over it kinda has a pornish jingle to it :D

[hydronut]

:moon: YA THINK ????:beer:

[eddieh]

is there any interest in older gold cup boats? baby bootlegger? delphine, miss canada etc??? just curious....

[hydronut]

:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: YES, YES, YES and again YES!!!!!:) :) Thats how I like em" old, a little clunky and and not fast by today standards!

[Dr. Jet]

Nice boats, but a bit of a daunting task for newbies wouldn't you think?

Make it a race worthy boat that could be "Dressed-up" to look like a "real" or imaginary sponsor, kinda-scale, but not really. Like a Key West is kinda, but not really scale, but you could paint it to look like anything you wanted. Mountain Dew and Oberto come to mind for some strange reason..... :rolls:

[hydronut]

:) Isn't that why we had different classes on this build, "SCALE or ADAPTED" then we had "ADVANCED and BEGINER", I had hoped we would have seen more finished boats then we did! I think a good question to ask before we begin another build is what created the lack of finished boats. We had like 34 entries and only a hand full finished. Many of the entries were well on there way to finishing. Was it to diffacult , to costly, or not enough time. I think this may be a better starting point as it may give some insight as to what can be finished by a majority of the builders. :wave:

[JimClark]

YupYupYupYupYupYupYupYupYupYupYupYupYup and Yup
Jim


is there any interest in older gold cup boats? baby bootlegger? delphine, miss canada etc??? just curious....

[eddieh]

Jim, maybe not for the contest... but a few others have PM'd me, maybe something in 1/10th scale:thumup: I need to talk to some of the powers that be....

[AndyKunz]

I'll second Jim on that!

YupYupYupYupYupYupYupYupYupYupYupYupYup and Yup
YupYupYupYupYupYupYupYupYupYupYupYupYup and Yup

Now, who is going to get me some time to do it?!?!?

Andy

[jimw]

Why boats went unfinished? For me and I sure many others theres a lot going on in live and fitting in boats is not as easy as we would like.

Would I like a another build contest? Gold cup or hydo no problem, I'm in.

[eddieh]

well here is a thought.... we can have an entry level bid, then we can have a build where guys who have built a boat or two let it all hang out, I love the way runabouts run, and I like stepped hulls, we could make this more of a hey this is what I am building and if it turns into a contest well... that'll be ok too... what I would love to build is the tempo vii I think it is... I still like the idea of a simulated outboard hydro too......

[jimw]

It could be a reason to finish the shadow
http://www.rumrunnerracing.com/feforums/photopost/data/500/medium/P7100020.JPG

[eddieh]

promises promises:wave:

jim you should finish that.. and the pak, and the........:yeah:

[hydronut]

There you go !!! Just like a fine mature lady. A vintage classic that displays her aged beauty, not very streamlined and not fast enough to get away. But youve got to love them.Thats why they are referred to in a female context. She is begging to be done!!! So go do her. (FINISH THE BOAT )

[Old Sloppy]

Here is an Idea.

How about something made out of wood ?

Lets keep this build off kind of free form....

Something like a car, or a boat ?

[Old Sloppy]

Here is a side view...

[Old Sloppy]

View from the rear...

[Old Sloppy]

Interior shot..

[Old Sloppy]

another one..

[Old Sloppy]

Merser Benz ?

[Old Sloppy]

an older model..

[Old Sloppy]

one more...

[eddieh]

That gent is quite the gifted carver, he is an italian I think and his home is even more amazing, but alas, I do not think this is a project for us........:eek:


nice try though:wave:

[Old Sloppy]

I just want to know how they are powered.

Twin 370 Pletts perhaps.

L.O.L.

Harry:)

[hydronut]

:) Are there any thoughts coming together for the next build contest. Summer is winding down and it is about time to begin build planning and gathering of goodies :bounce: !!!

[eddieh]

Rod, I am seriously thinking a gold cup racer..... 1/10th scale.... or 1/8th...:wave: whatcha think....

[milehighfe]

i'd be in for that one, one 10/th sounds nice to me

[hydronut]

Rod, I am seriously thinking a gold cup racer..... 1/10th scale.... or 1/8th...:wave: whatcha think....
I'd be game to any gold cup racers. But I think a 1/10th would be best as the 1/8ths can get pretty costly and may reduce the number of new and young builders. But I'm in on any direction you go.:yeah:

[Darin Jordan]

I think you guys would be doing well for the FE community to pick something that would fit into an existing or perhaps upcoming NAMBA or IMPBA racing class... Get'em built, get'em RACING!!

[Dennis Whitt]

I have always thought of having an OLD timers Ball.Were we pick a spot somewere in the middle of the US and invite all of the OLD Legends of racing.Mostly just a big get together to name the first FE Hall of famer.
Included in this shindig would be a race.Sort of a one boat class with 6 cells and stock hand out motors that you are not aloud to touch PERIOD.
If we could get just a single mono.That must be built out of wood.Must run a stock hand out motor and stock hand out cells and stock plastic prop stock hardware.
So we make this a big 3 day or so shindig at some resort or something,bring the kids.Have a best of this or best of that with that one boat.Almost like a family reunion.Make it for like next summer or something.So everybody has a chance to get involved.I dont know just a thought.But you get to build a IROC boat that is cheap,Judge it and go race with all of the legends.
What do you guys think.

[Kmot]

Dennis, I think that is a brilliant idea! :beer:

[Drobie]

I have always thought of having an OLD timers Ball.Were we pick a spot somewere in the middle of the US and invite all of the OLD Legends of racing.Mostly just a big get together to name the first FE Hall of famer.

How about at the '07 Nats?

[Larry Benson]

I like the idea, although I'm not an "Old Legend" I got the old part down pretty good LOL . I think the Electrified mono would be a good one to build it's cheap easy to build and they perform well. I built one this last winter and I'm ready to do another one, (I'll correct a few mistakes next time )

[AndyKunz]

It should be on one of the coasts (N, S, E, or W) so that there is easy and cheap air travel to it. Putting it in the middle of the country wouldn't help in that regard - it would be better to be near (within in hour drive?) a major city like Boston, Chicago, NYC, Atlanta, Orlando, Houston, LA, or Seattle.

Andy

[hydronut]

I have always thought of having an OLD timers Ball.Were we pick a spot somewere in the middle of the US and invite all of the OLD Legends of racing.Mostly just a big get together to name the first FE Hall of famer.
Included in this shindig would be a race.Sort of a one boat class with 6 cells and stock hand out motors that you are not aloud to touch PERIOD.
If we could get just a single mono.That must be built out of wood.Must run a stock hand out motor and stock hand out cells and stock plastic prop stock hardware.
So we make this a big 3 day or so shindig at some resort or something,bring the kids.Have a best of this or best of that with that one boat.Almost like a family reunion.Make it for like next summer or something.So everybody has a chance to get involved.I dont know just a thought.But you get to build a IROC boat that is cheap,Judge it and go race with all of the legends.
What do you guys think.
HOW ABOUT SOMEWHERE IN COLORADO , Pretty much in the middle!!!:yeah: :yeah:

[Darin Jordan]

I think the Electrified mono would be a good one to build it's cheap easy to build and they perform well.

Larry,

Can you post a pic or two? I can't remember what this one looks like? Also, what size is it??

Thanks,

[Dennis Whitt]

Don wallard said he would make the plans to the mutineer avaiable for free.
Andy,I think it should be in the central US.Not everyone will be flying.Hey Maybe Paul Pachmeyers back yard !!!

[Darin Jordan]

Are there plans out there for a small version of the "Wild Thing"?? Like the one that Brian has the IMPBA N2 Mono record with?? That might be along the same lines as far as hull styles go...

[Dennis Whitt]

Lets just try and keep things simple.If Don offered lets just leave it at that.

[Darin Jordan]

EDIT: Sorry Dennis... took it the wrong way... Ooops back at you! ;)

[eddieh]

awww c'mon fellas, we are aways off from the contest yet, and I do not know where the 07 nats are suppose to be held, I dunno, we will have lots of time for brainstorming, the wild thing is a cool boat, and a performer, even if you had to buy the plans... but it hasn't been decided what kind of build, maybe there could be several simultaneous builds, the finlay hydros that are up are 6-7 cells, that may due for the old pro contests too...

[Darin Jordan]

Maybe we should do up an "M" class build... Get Andy to come out of the 4-cell ESC retirement! (Just kidding... sort of! ;) )

Or... Maybe a Retrieval boat build??? :D

[Dennis Whitt]

And by the way.I think it should be a FE thing.Not NAMBA or INPBA.Just a big FE get together.We would not want to leave anyone out.

[AndyKunz]

Batavia is close to Chicago and they have their own site insurance.

Andy

[Old Sloppy]

HOW ABOUT SOMEWHERE IN COLORADO , Pretty much in the middle!!!:yeah: :yeah:


Actually, South Dakota is the exact geographic center .:)

[Al P]

Don wallard said he would make the plans to the mutineer avaiable for free.
Andy,I think it should be in the central US.Not everyone will be flying.Hey Maybe Paul Pachmeyers back yard !!!


I would enter to build a Multineer (even just to get the plans).But,I also like the Gold Cup racer idea.

[eddieh]

There are two issues here....


Al there are two issues here, there are builders and their are racers and then there are some builders who race, and some racers that build, and you cannot please everyone,but we can try, I have spoken with Don about both concepts, as for the hall of fame thing, I assume this will be something new to include all the various groups as long as it is FE apba,impba,namba, and of course all those unaffiliated with any group? because I believe there already is a NAMBA HAll of Fame, and I assume the same for the other groups, except for the unaffiliated so I guess just an FE hall of fame??... that is a little out of my purview, but a build is a build what happens after , who races what where , what's the difference have at it.. I know don would love to attend the hall of fame race if he gets a chance to build etc..

anyway back to what is next, we are thinking we might offer both types of builds, some guys want scale and some guys want speed so it could be a happy medium, I dunno just thinking out loud. but we will be redesigning one of the forums as the plans page, and maybe we will archive the various builds there.

anyway keep the ideas flowing they are all good.

[Darin Jordan]

After looking some over... I think the Mutineer might be fun... Kind of a wooden "El Lobo" style hull that could be made REALLY light for SAW racing or ???

[Al P]

I just like to build.

I like both race style and scale.

I've never raced though. :( No time,no money (at least not much)

[Amp Eater]

Why not have a ol fashion scratch build of your own design within a size class range.

[aod8850]

What's that? The one in IL? That's real close to me. I know of only one other FE boater around here within 200 miles. That would be sweet to have everyone that close. Please tell me you are not talking about New York!!:rolls:

[R.J.West]

I still like the crackerbox ideal guys. Unless... how about a build of our own design with a unlimited number of cells/type/motor drivetrain...the works. And lets see whos got the the fastest boat! :rockon:

[Larry Benson]

Larry,

Can you post a pic or two? I can't remember what this one looks like? Also, what size is it??

Thanks,

Darin, missed your post from earlier but here are a few pics of my Electrified. it's 21" long with a 6-1/2" beam. I got my plans from Ned Schmidt and he runs at least 2 of them at Batavia. I set mine up with bullet connectors and can change from N-1 Mono to spec 19 class is about 5 minutes I also have a brushless setup for it so I can run N-2 Mono and N2 0ffshore. I can go from one class to another in a matter of minutes.thats on 6 cells, I can get 8 cells in it but it would be a handfull. I made a couple hatches so I can change the looks of it for different races. I shaped blue foam for the whole front of it before installing the deck and if it stays in one piece I doubt if it will ever sink. It was a fun build and not counting hardware I figure I have less than $10 in it. I like being able to run 4 classes with only one boat :thumup:

[eddieh]

guys all great ideas, we can't please all the people all the time, but I think we more then likely will have 2 ttypes of build a race and something a little nicer... one of them will be the baby bootlegger in 1/10 with 12 cells and a 700 power only, I haven't discussed this with anybody, but it would be nice as a lunch venue race at one of next years big races, maybe mazo? don't know, and the other build will be some kind of race boat 6 cell, with the price of 6 cell brushless nowadays does it make sense to spec a brushed motor? another cool thing I was thinking, if each entry was a club thing, sorta like the raeal gold cuppers where a club could have an entry like the yacht club's use to do it, not saying you can't build your own, but just as an option for club camaraderie.... just a thought...

[Dr. Jet]

Hey Eddie, et. al.,

How does a Jet Cat 29 build off for LSO (cheap) sound?

http://www.rumrunnerracing.com/feforums/attachment.php?attachmentid=10685&d=1163390927

[eddieh]

Doc sounds very very interesting :yeah: let's talk more,,,

[Dr. Jet]

Eddie,

Give me a call. I PM'ed my telephone # to you.

-B

[eddieh]

Bill nice chat today, certainly some very cool ideas, well as you progress we will need to chat more but I certainly see this as a doable option...:wave:

[interplanet]

Anyone going to start the new contest soon.
Has anyone heard of "footy internet sailboat racing"
Its a class where they have a set course and post times on the internet.
its based on the honor system. maybe a 6 cell open motor rigger internet racing. Or any kind of boat, maybe a two bouy short "sprint" course.
Check out the link below for footy sailboat racing.

http://footy.rcsailing.net/racing.php

I dont live close enough to any clubs to particapate on the level that I want to run, and this would be a viable option.

[aod8850]

I'm in. You were thinking n2 hydro? NOT cheap but fun. I got some of the stuff to build one.

[interplanet]

I have plans for a 6 cell hydro that will work perfect, also for those who cant use a saw there are two places to get kits for pretty cheap (under $60)

[aod8850]

Where did you find the plans at? I was thinking of buying a blizzard as they are pretty cheap and fast. If I could get some plans, I wouldn't even bother with a kit. I built my first micro rigger hull for $13. I was just sayin' motors, batteries and speed controls are kida steep(actually not now with Andy's Pistix converter). Nevermind about the speed controls!:thumup:

[interplanet]

I already have the speed controller, brushless lehner, and batts for it. we will see I guess, but going to have to wait a couple of months.

[Taylor Shaw]

Where did you find the plans at? I was thinking of buying a blizzard as they are pretty cheap and fast. If I could get some plans, I wouldn't even bother with a kit. I built my first micro rigger hull for $13. I was just sayin' motors, batteries and speed controls are kida steep(actually not now with Andy's Pistix converter). Nevermind about the speed controls!:thumup:

wait a couple months to buy the blizzard, the rights to it are changing hands and there will be some improvments on the hull.
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