Not Terribly Wrong

[Flyguy55]

The FE Chairman Terry Davis asked for a new thread on what's terribly wrong with the rules.

Nothing in my view.

A better question is can some be added or improved be improved ?

Are you satisfied with the Lipo rules ? Are you in favor of any limits beside the 10,000 MAH 2 P limit ? Hull length limits ? any ?

How many clubs are using NAMBA rules as written ? not many .

Lets's start with P OPC hull rules Its not terribly wrong that there are no P OPC hull rules rules. But its not right !
( just 3 rules , nothing about the hull except it is to be an outboard tunnel )You told me there is little interest. There is interest . And its growing.
Jerry Dunlap is building one . I suspect it will be an RCMB article . Others in the NW are building FE Tunnels. There are a couple threads in RRR now. and in RC Universe. Have you read "Tunnel boats Unite " ?
You and I have been in on this conversion since about February.
May I quote your answer to me ?
I did Submit a rule proposal . Its listed in the" Direction "thread. It seems to be tabled .
Your influence ?

What is the rule about dead boats. Is a boat dead when its called a dead boat ? How long should a contest dir. wait to call a boat dead ? If a boat spins out and stops , is it dead if it can continue after traffic passes ? If it thermals , and comes alive again , can it continue ?

I think the majority think there are too many classes . How many clubs race O , Q , S , or T class except SAWS ? enough to justify the classes?

Multi motors in O through T classes. Wait till some one builds a 48" twin motored P class Sport Hydro or Mono , or Offshore boat with 10 amp LIPOS in P class .
Fun boats , doesn't belong in P class.


Section 28 , General Rules B official Courses
1,a The standard Oval course is 1/10 of a mile , 4 or 5 laps.

With today's boats and speeds , should this be looked at ?

That's a start. Do rules have to be terribly wrong to be cleaned up , improved ?

[Greg Schweers]

I see nothing wrong with the way the Lipo rules are written right now. This is the first year that I've run Lipos, for one thing your race day is so much easier with these batteries. Now, if you go out there and flip your boat on the second lap, you just bring it in and set the boat aside for the next heat. With just regular IBs I would have been waisting time recharging and getting the packs ready for the next heat. In my P-Mono I do run 2P and it's mainly just for the safety factor. I'm pretty sure I could have just run 1P because on a normal heat race I only pulled 1200 out of each pack. In my N2-Mono, there's no way I could have run 1P. I know by this time last year I would be on my second set of IBs and would have bought a third set toward the end of the season. Instead, I'm still on my first set of Lipos. (I'm glad the Lipos were "shoved down my throat." - THANK YOU DARIN !!!) Yeah, we need to eliminate at least 10 to 12 classes.
As for the OPC, I don't know where my rule book is but I thought it followed the nitro rules. And a length restriction-we first need to see what happens in the next year or two. The rule on dead boats: I've been to races where you have 5 minutes to revive it and that was mostly due to controllers back then might thermo 2 or 3 times in a heat--but I don't know what is a fair time frame.
Like someone said, "This is fast electrics." And if it does get out of hand then put in hull restrictions - simple.
Next year our club will most likely run SV motor and controller setups in LSH, which should really level the field out. At the present time we're running Lipos in LSH.

[Flyguy55]

Hi Greg

Its been awhile :-)

Quote
" P OPC Tunnel i) general rules a)
Electric Outboard Racing Rules are intended as a supplement to the general racing rules of NAMBA. In the case of a conflict the Electric Outboard racing rules will prevail.
Electric Outboard rules are not intended as a supplement to the NAMBA Outboard racing rules and as such must not comply with any of the rules therein . "

Jay tuner thought it was a misprint. I checked with Al waters , It is not a misprint.
Lots of interest in FE OPC , and hull rules are missing.

Dick Roberts

[Jay Turner]

Are you satisfied with the Lipo rules ? Are you in favor of any limits beside the 10,000 MAH 2 P limit ? Hull length limits ? any ?Personally I favor mAh limits for now. No hull limits, the technology will sort that out - it's a moving target at the moment. With 26"+ boats being used successfully in NH2 classes now, why impose arbitrary length limits? We are still in the learning stage, too early to say "your boat's too long".


What is the rule about dead boats.I agree, we need some definate direction here. The main issue to me is not to penalize the guy who flipped, but to manage how we penalize anyone who hits him.


I think the majority think there are too many classes . How many clubs race O , Q , S , or T class except SAWS ? We have way too many classes! Too many of what should have been "club classes" were given National status because....a handful of members wanted to do so. Up to Q power is relatively common in many clubs today, but I have no idea about the prevalence of higher voltage classes. A lot depends on the course size, see below. Our club has a number of T class boats - but we won't race them on the club's 1/8th mile oval.


Multi motors in O through T classes. Wait till some one builds a 48" twin motored P class Sport Hydro or Mono , or Offshore boat with 10 amp LIPOS in P class.This was heavily discussed prior to the LiPo vote. Let them build successful monster boats - assuming anyone does - then deal with it. With recent availablity of affordable high-amp ESCs and the mAh limit this is leveled out - to a degree at least.


1,a The standard Oval course is 1/10 of a mile , 4 or 5 laps.
With today's boats and speeds , should this be looked at ?No. Many clubs do not have a pond large enough for a 1/6th mile course. The rules allow larger courses where possible, so the word "standard" has little real meaning if clubs want to run one of the larger courses. Each club decides, including the club that hosts the Nationals. One of the advantages of FE has been the ability to use ponds that are not available for nitro, either due to size or noise. I would hate to compromise that.




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[jfruge]

I think the Lipo rules should be 1P up to T class for sprint , and 2P for Offshore and Open class. (that or make less classes but have some of them 1P to let folks build cheaper boats.)

I Like the idea of A max hull size for each class.

I also would like to see @ some point a rule set that would let you go race in the USA and also Europe and run the same boats...

All of the thoughts above are for Oval... not SAW racing...

I know... I Know... I am nt asking for much..... :eek: