IMPBA Trial Rules

[D.Smock]

The trial rules are up for membership vote in the Dec. Roostertail.

http://www.impba.net/

Doug

[T.S.Davis]

Doug, curiousity. I just read through that proposal in the Rooster again. Are you going to vote for this one? This is the first year I get to vote on an IMPBA proposal. I'm really disaapointed with it. There's so much poo in it.

30 second starts. Cuz that's how the fuel guys do it.

The gentlemens agreement that dates back to 2005 is written into Unlimited. Pretty much a gaurantee that the class will not grow. Just as it hasn't. Another helping of that please.

The US1 format has no sport hydro. It does have N through T tunnel and N through T outboard tunnel. I've only ever seen P outboard tunnel at an FE event. Both times they were nationals. That class makes sense. There are guys doing it out there. I've been to a few big races. Even hosted a couple. 10 of the classes for US1 status I've never seen run at an FE event. How the heck did they get in there then? At least a US1 regatta will be a quicky with only 11 classes. haha

If we were free to toss in anything along with the length limits why not throw some offshore in there? IMPBA still has none.

ugh......... I guess I'm just out of touch with how IMPBA works.

I know, take the bad with the good. Take all the other stuff to get the length limits. Once upon a time I thought it was supposed to be a 1 year test of the length limits. Now it has all these extras in it. Bums me out a little.

[Chris Harris]

Oh never mind.

[T.S.Davis]

Chris, I like Randall. I really do. He's a pretty great CD too. I'm not sure how in touch with FE he is though. We talked about the Us1 thing briefly at the nats. We didn't talk about which classes though.

There are still a few screwy things I don't like about the NAMBA rules too. I'm not climbing that fence for a while though.

Although, how cool would a 10s2p Neu 2230 powered outboard tunnel be? yeeeehaaaaaaaaaa! Bring the diver. I want that motor back.

[T.S.Davis]

Oh never mind.


haha CHICKEN!!!

[D.Smock]

Bawk bawk bawk!!! LOL Your in good company Mr. Harris!!!:yeah:

Terry I know they aren't perfect but I'm going to support them with sincere hopes that WE,( active IMPBA members) can talk in 2009 about the changes we want to see, and get a proposal in front of the board.

Doug:wave:

[Chris Harris]

Just tired of fightin. I'm sure you can understand. Besides nothing
can be changed now. If you don't like em you know how you need to vote.


Chris

[T.S.Davis]

If you don't like em you know how you need to vote.


Yeah, I suppose. I just don't want to condemn the whole thing. The length limits seem to be working so far. The proposal is just a touch porky for my liking. As IMPBA's FE participation expands so will the attention paid to those doing it.

Tired of fight'n? Sissy. LOL I TOTALY get that. Wasn't trying to pick a fight. Honest.

[Chris Harris]

>>Wasn't trying to pick a fight. Honest.<<

Don't worry Terry I knew you weren't. I was refering to all the crap we've gone through over the past 4 months just trying to protect the existing records.

Chris

[D.Smock]

I don't know Chris, he did call you a "Sissy".LOL:D;)
We may have to do a road trip and pay him a visit.:hammer::yeah:

See ya at the races fellas.:thumup:

Doug :wave:

[T.S.Davis]

Doug, I'll save you guys a seat. Clear your calendar for Sept.16, 2009. Someday I'll get down there to see you guys. Sounds like your having more than your fair share of fun down there.

Without the E renaming thing I would think the records would stand until they are broken. The boats were all legal when they set the records. Nobody was checking them for length at that time. The boats could have exploded on impact since then. How do you measure them now?

Seems simple to me but what the heck do I know?

[eddieh]

The gentlemens agreement that dates back to 2005 is written into Unlimited. Pretty much a gaurantee that the class will not grow. Just as it hasn't. Another helping of that please.


Terry it says "Any other brushless motor is subject
to technical approval."

so who does the technical approval? :confused: the CD? good thing I have an 1/8th powered by a 2215, and I am repowering the other with a 1527, LOL.... sheesh, I do hear what your saying though, I know in NAMBA I am legal, but it does make traveling easier not taking that big boat LOL....

[T.S.Davis]

Exactly Eddie. What about outrunners? Aren't there some fat ones around now?

The NAMBA rules should have said "up to T power" instead of T power too. I didn't think it would ever be an issue but if somebody dreams up a 6s setup they should be able to run it.

Oh well, maybe some day.

[eddieh]

Terry Yup, it should say Up to T power, I fully agree, but one thing I have learned from You guys is set up your district rules... one of the most exciting classes coming down the pike is the spec classes.... ( I guess IMPBA 1/8th scale is now a spec class LOL) I think all rules should take into consideration what if? look at the new ul-1? 1/2" or a !/4" OVER N-2?proboat about the same? what if..... sure they will work in lssh, but that isn't a real class LOL....(yet)

ah well whatever the rules are let me know....:yeah:

[photohoward1]

Exactly Eddie. What about outrunners? Aren't there some fat ones around now?

The NAMBA rules should have said "up to T power" instead of T power too. I didn't think it would ever be an issue but if somebody dreams up a 6s setup they should be able to run it.

Oh well, maybe some day.

Can't wait for MI 1/8th scale. Putting that 3080/7 should do the trick. Hell it powers my rigger to 70 plus so I should be good for 65 at least in my 1/8th.

Steve and Alan better upgrade because a Non Modern style hull is not going to handle the speed. (Blow it over people.)

You have got to be kidding me. 1/8th is exactly a SPEC class. You have to meet the specs. 1/8th get it. Not to kick a dead horse but the fuel guys limit the motor to a .67. I guess they are smarter than us because an 1/8th with a 90 in it would be great. For no one!!!

Terri,

I can never tell what is up with you. Your club has embraced Spec classes and been succesfull with them. Now you want to jump off the Band wagon.

I am confused.

[photohoward1]

I was putting a whole slew of spec boats together for MI. Should I stop?

[D. Newland]

Not if you're coming to Az 3/09.

[T.S.Davis]

Howard, what are you talking about? That's all we run is spec classes right now. What's my observation about the scale rules got to do with our clubs spec classes? I'm cornfused.

Why not a 6s powered 1/8 scale? Don't say it wont work. It will.

You guys always assume I want to go a 100mph with a scale. That's not it. I want to put one on the water without having to buy 10s2p, without buying a Schulze 40/160, and without all the equipment to charge it. I have 2 scales I'll likely never finish because they'll have too much $$$ impact on the rest of my racing.

The power spec and the motor spec will require you to run 10s. haha..........because that's the way we always did it. We're right back where we started. If the nitro scale guys could power they're boats with .45 motors for less money and get it to work I wonder if they would.

Also, and this is just an observation. We have length limits for most classes now. Many of us campaigned for them. Myself included. They're in the IMPBA proposal too. The theory was that at some point a Q Sport (for example) 40 inches long becomes undriveable. Seems to be working. Then with the scale boats the length is specified by the roster. A built in length limit. But we don't apply the same theory to the scales. You can only go so fast before the boat becomes undriveable.............. accept for scales. Scales boats apparently are unaffected by their length.

Fascinating captain.

The limit should be the "scale" itself.

No matter, we're stuck with em.

[photohoward1]

I miss stated myself I think. Go ahead with a 6's set-up in an 1/8th.

Remember if 10's 1P uses about 100amps...8s will use about 125 for the same power and 6s about 150amps. Amps, watts and voltage. You will have a tough time 1p with 6s. (you will kill the cells) 8s I can see it. still tough on cells.

The way I see it and have practical experience. You will need 6s2p to achieve what you want and that is 12 cells total. No weight savings and no savings on the Batts.

Terri at CAFE this year if you want to run a 6s 1/8th I have no problem.
Alan and I would welcome the boat.

The only limit in 1/8th IMO is Motor and Voltage upper Limit.

Man winter Sucks!!!


P= Power in Watts
I= current in Amps
E= Voltage in volts
P= I x E
I= P / E
E= P / I

10s 8s 6s

Volts=36 volts=28.8 volts=21.6
amps=100 amps=125 amps=167
watts=3600 watts=3600 watts=3600

This assumes the same boat set-up for each.

I'm no engineer but this is what I know.

[Bill-SOCAL]

Boy, I'm glad we didn't have of this kind of divisiveness in NAMBA when we changed our rules!! You IMPBA guys sure are tough. Bicker, bicker, bicker.

Can't we all just get along??

[eddieh]

Bill I think they are getting along..LOL

I think for myself that I am glad that NAMBA did not specify a motor, to be honest 1/8th scales fly on a 1527!! and it will be neat to try the outrunners,
we race 1/8th at the district level, and it is a hoot, I have 1 with a 2215 that really doesn't have a speed advantage over the other guys because of what ken was saying the extra weight of 2P, and I prop conservatively, I am looking for bullit proof rather then bullit speed. I am sure when i repower my griffon bud to a 1527 and 1p it will fly!!

[T.S.Davis]

Boy, I'm glad we didn't have of this kind of divisiveness in NAMBA when we changed our rules!!

Sheesh Bill how much theropy did you recieve? Denial.:rolls: We're not exactly bickering. I'll drop it. We'll go with it can't be done.

Eddie, you should just do what your told. All that out of the box thinking is going to get you in trouble.

[eddieh]

Terry it's all good, we can do what we want on a district level, thinking in general gets me into trouble LOL... that's why I do so little of it..:yeah:

[Bill-SOCAL]

Sheesh Bill how much theropy did you recieve? Denial.:rolls:

I guess next time I need to use more of these:

:tongue::rolls::rolleyes::bounce::beer:

So that my clearly lame attempts at humor are more obvious.

[T.S.Davis]

No way Bill. I knew you were goof'n. I was too. Just incase I failed too here's the smilies. :moon::doh::bounce::hammer::rockon::rockon:

[D.Smock]

The trial rules are up for membership vote in the Dec. Roostertail.

http://www.impba.net/

Doug

Just a reminder, ballots need to be in to your Dist.Director by Jan.31 2009

Doug :wave: