Aeromarine 33" HYDRO!!!!!

[madmikepags]

Here is Aeromarine's 33" .21 size 7 Litre Hydro!!! I think it looks great although I am partial to Aeromarine's stuff. I will be building this up as a LSH with the UL1 motor for use in Fla and will probably convert it to a P-sport with a 1521 or 1527 (I think it could handle the power of a 1527/1D on 4S 2P!!!!!) I think it might be a little big or heavy as a LSH but I'm gonna try it anyway. I don't have an exact weight on the hull but I will tonite. I will let you all know how it works.

[tylerm]

Same design as their big 50" Sport X hydro, but the big one has a turbine canopy.
Looks good mike.

[madmikepags]

yes actually just like their 50" 7 Litre!!! He said If there is enough interest he might make a newer turbine style cowl, but the price is allready kind of high at $230.00

[Mike Zaborowski]

That boat is VERY outdated as far as bottom design goes. We have seen a few run around our area but the guys only have them for a summer or so.. They then switch to something else.

BUT.. sounds like a challenge to me!

However.. what is old can again be new.. keep us posted.

Grimracer

[Flying Scotsman]

Grim, some people love old designs and show the world the boys that pushed the envelope in their time ....Donald Campbell ...Bluebird.... 40 year old design but one hell of a boat.
Grim, you seem to not like a critical viewpoint..valid or not...the UL-1 water cooling jacket is a not a well MANUFACTUERED piece of equipment...design great

Douggie

[madmikepags]

I ran their sport 40 this past year which has a similar if not identical bottom design and it was great, ran on 5 and 6s with a 12xl and was just about 50 on 5s and high 50's on 6s and was unflappable, wind and chop didnt upset it at all, we will see though????? On another note about old vs new I have an old aeromarine 1/8 Hamms bear picklefork (the molds for this hull burnt in a fire almost 18 years ago) that was a Nitro boat that I (Ed Hansen) converted for me. I ran on a 1527/1.5Y on 10S2P AND THIS BOAT ABSOLUTELY FLIES. It is every bit of 65 mph and stable as all hell, in comparison I have a Phil Thomas 1/8 U82 that has the exact same setup, the kicker is that the PT boat is about 7 lbs lighter than the Hamms Bear, I even used the same props so I had a direct comparison, wouldn't you know it the Hamms bear was hands down faster between 5-7 mph faster and ran more efficiently even to the point that I don't even have to run H2O cooling on the speedo!!!! Go figure?

[Mike Zaborowski]

Flying.....

I wasent cutting on the old beast.. you need to lighten up dude.... Christ man....

Mad man.. RIP IT.. and keep us posted.. agian what is old can again become new.. lets face it, new power from the intent of the design and new running weights.. who knows! Could be fun..

Grimracer

[Ken Haines]

Hey Mike,
I actually have one of these 33" aeromarine sport hydro's as well. It had been a nitro boat that I bought to convert to FE and just never got around to doing that project. I'm real curious about the stability thing, if yours runs real stable, I'll make it a p-sport for this years Nats. Keep me posted.

What will look funny at our race is your 33" LSH against my little 24" Dark Horse Shovel. Please don't let your boat eat my shovel as a snack !!!
See you in Florida. :yeah:
Thanks, Ken

[madmikepags]

I didn't think u were cutting at all, I was just posting another experience, hey I respect your opinion to the max!!!! I really I had no malice in my post and I know you had none either, (SO YOU LIGHTEN UP DUDE!!! LOL) The caps in my post was a typo and had no intention of meaning of yelling. it's all good man!! PEACE!!!!

[madmikepags]

Oh and yes thats my intention Ken IF I can catch the smaller boats I will eat them!!!

[Mike Zaborowski]

mad man.. please read my response again. The top part was not aimed at you bro.

ROCK IN ROLL IN FL MAN!

Grim

[madmikepags]

oh gotcha brother, now thats out of the way how bout some of those grimracer props to try out!!!!!! shoot me a call me 917-417-0241 we can talk about it!!!!! I've heard u do some nice work!!

[Mike Zaborowski]

Aha.. Fl.. what the heck am i doing here in IL.. When I get past this nutty summer Its going to be a week of boat testing in FL next year.. Wont have much room in the trunk so I might have to ship stuff that way.. but.. play toy boats we will!

RIP IT FL DUDES!

Grim

[Mike Zaborowski]

Ken.. has the weather been good for testing?

Mad.. call I will.

Grim

[HOTWATER]

Sweet project Madman! I have a few Aeromarine boats and they (Remy) do the best gel coat finishing on them!! I am curious how the UL-1 Motor will work out for you. I am going to be using one in my Insanity Rigger...God luck with her!

-Kent

[Ken Haines]

Mike, I feel bad even telling you, but its 83 today. It has been a little windy, but we are having a front pass thru. Yes the weather has been great the past month or so. Hopefully this little race we are having gets us ready for hosting an FE nats.

And Mike Pags, I'll try too get a good start and stay out of your wake so maybe I won't get eaten or swamped. Pretty slow ordinary little shovel that some guy named Buass custom made.

Can't Wait for this Race, :yeah:
Ken

[mike martin]

Ken.. has the weather been good for testing?

Mad.. call I will.

Grim

We run almost every weekend unless a hurracaine is comming:eek:
in 2 1/2 years we only have had to cancel 1 club race and we race once or twice a month year round

[madmikepags]

ah u got a slow boat built by brian also.....hmmmm very interesting i will b running his new p-spec rigger!!! cant wait to see that thing flyyyyyyyyy

[TTH]

Nice looking hull Mike. Make sure to get some vids of her in action.

[10gauge]

Mike, I think the Aeromarine 33" hydro is a hidden gem - reasonably priced, rugged, and good size for larger power. They also have a 37" hydro with a turbine cowl. It looks like these hulls might be more intuitively easier to build than my Phil Thomas SS45 hull (which I have yet to build)...

I love Aeromarine hulls too, even though they're a little heavier. I just wish Aeromarine would make a simple slim-line cowl for FE for the SprintCat and Sport Hydros since many are using these boats in FE applications. Wow! If Aeromarine were to design hulls specific for FE applications, I think they could make a big splash in a small pond...

Personally, I think you might get by using a 1527/1D since the Aeromarine hulls are generally heavier. It would run like a bandit out of hell - to use your metaphor. :) I am thinking of including a 4S2P setup for 34-37" boats by buying a 1527/1D, since I already have a 1527/1.5D for 6S2P.

Keep us posted on the new build....

[madmikepags]

I run the 1527/1D in my 34" .40 sprintcats (Yes I made them 34" by cutting over an inch off the sponsons!! Now legal for P-hydro and P-offshore). I love the setup and my sprintcat runs like a rabid cheetah on crack!!!! I cant wait to try it in this hydro!!!
This hydro hull is really nice, it's not like his regular hulls which are all pretty much the shoebox type deck and hull combo, this one is joined in the mold and has smooth lines at the joints and is really smooth and trick.
Remy is very accommodating and will layup any of his hulls any way you request them, most of my hulls from him I now get with a lightweight layup with 1/8 ply stringers, with the back half reinforges w/ a layer of CF, and usually leave the bulkheads out unless they are integral in the hull like the sport 40 hydro. and the big avenger and conquest. I don't worry too much about the cowls because I usually put sub hatches on most of my boats.

[10gauge]

Great to hear that Remy @ Aeromarine will take requests for a lightweight layup and CF reinforcement. I thought that they mostly catered to nitro guys. That 1527/1D is going to run like a Porsche 917 @ LeMans! As always, thanks for the good tips, Mike.

George

[madmikepags]

yeah I've personally bought over 50 hulls in the past year from him all custom layup stuff, he's really a great dude, I asked him last friday about this hull he said he would do one for me, he laid it up on tues and I got it today!!!!

[10gauge]

Wow! 50 (fifty) Hulls?... That would take me 2-3 lifetimes to assemble. How do you find the time to build so many, let alone to store them. Ah, I wish I had more time... The PT SS45, XsessII Evo Rigger, and an SAW M-1 SuperCat will probably take me into the end of summer to complete.

Ultimately, in about a 1-2years, I'd like to build a 43" Conquest Catamaran and run 10S2P, 2215 or even a crazy 2230 Setup for a real offshore cat to use on saltwater on the beach at Cape Cod.

[HOTWATER]

ah u got a slow boat built by brian also.....hmmmm very interesting i will b running his new p-spec rigger!!! cant wait to see that thing flyyyyyyyyy

COOL! I saw that CF rigger in his thread! He is the Riggermeister!
He has given me some great tips...

-Kent

[Ub Hauled]

Mike, Jay T. has one of those, he has good things to say about it:
http://www.intlwaters.com/index.php?showtopic=31342

[mharvey]

Are ya'll telling us our Pickles and UL's arent going to have a chance in Ft Pierce?

Mike, looking forward to running the SC you helped me with in Q.

Mike

[Darin Jordan]

Are ya'll telling us our Pickles and UL's arent going to have a chance in Ft Pierce?

Mike, looking forward to running the SC you helped me with in Q.

Mike


I think you guys are going to be safe... That Aeromarine looks like a TANK... and the UL1 motor doesn't have the torque that the SV27 or BJ26 motors have... I think this one will be an uphill battle... A quick and agile UL1 shouldn't have any trouble driving away from this thing, unless the water gets really rough...

[PropNut]

aahhh... bench racin. Gotta love it...


Ray

[mharvey]

What are you running Ray? A rigger camouflaged as a lsh?

[PropNut]

Ya mean riggers ain't legal in LSH? Darn...


All the best,

Ray

[madmikepags]

Darin, I'm pretty sure this is NOT going to be the boat to beat for LSH, I just don't race LSH and have no desire to build a boat I'm gonna race once so I'm building this for this race w/ LSH power and will switch over to a 1521-1527 setup for P-sport.
10Guage I have stocked up on parts to build 20-30 boats so I always have stuff available, I can build up a Mono in about 6-8 hours, depending on the layout, a cat or hydro takes a little longer because of the stuffing tube and such. I also have a buddy that does some building for me, he's been building boats (and everything RC) for almost 35 years, he can do these things in his sleep (his first job as a kid way working for Remy Sr. at Aeromarine laying up and building boats). This guy builds gram weight freeflight rubber powered planes so this stuff is like childs play for him. He just built 6 boats and 3 planes for me in the past week and a half!!!!! and he even had to glass in stringers in 4 of the boats!

[Mike Zaborowski]

:lalala:

lol

Grim

[PropNut]

MadMike,

Don't be too sure you won't have the boat to beat. If it's windy, you may be the only boat with the prop still in the water.

All the best,

Ray

[madmikepags]

Thanks for the vote of confidence ray, Thats one of my main Ideas about racing, I would rather give up a few mph to be able to handle wind and chop and race water, I just don't know how much i'll be giving up w/ this boat on LSH power?

[T.S.Davis]

For a high wind LSH give me a Whip20 any day. Point and shoot. Bring on the 8" chop no problem. I'll be testing mine on the UL1 motor combo as soon as the weather breaks. Mine is a TANK though. Might be too heavy coming out of the turns. We'll see. Anybody know what prop to start with on the UL1 motors? Where are you going to start with your gun ship Mike?

[madmikepags]

I dont know terry maybe start w a x646 Tongue Reduction cut and cupped I have a 447/3 cut down to 44mm thats been pitched up a bit but not sure how that motor it gonna spin a 3 blade, I will be doing a lot of testing w/ this boat the sat before the race (all my other boats are pretty much dialed and don't need much tuning) and I will be bringing a bunch of the ul1 motors and plan on going thru a couple of them!!!!!

[T.S.Davis]

Isn't this motor hotter than the SV motor? I ran a 642 detongued on the SV and baked it but that was on a hydra with the timing issues. I'm running the AC speedo now too. I'll probably start smallish. Like a detongued 640 and work my way up.

What prop does the UL1 come with?

[madmikepags]

ya know I really don't know I thought thats what Brian told me to start w/ but I might be mistaken, I've been wrong before!!! This is also my very first time using any type of spec power so I really don't know what to expect? It's all new to me.

[madmikepags]

maybe I should bring a sv27 and a BJ motor just to test all the options

[properchopper]

[QUOTE=madmikepags;254762]I have a 447/3 cut down to 44mm thats been pitched up a bit but not sure how that motor it gonna spin a 3 blade, /QUOTE]

I just did a run with my UL-1 using a cut down & slimmed 447/3 that Brian B. gave me at the nat's. Ran great, motor was fully spooled up from the sound of things; & I'll use this prop to race with. After @ 3 min. motor temp @ 130 deg. The Aeromarine, bigger & heavier may show different results but who knows ?

[T.S.Davis]

maybe I should bring a sv27 and a BJ motor just to test all the options

You might need the torque. I don't know too. It might not work for me either. I have all three motors too. test test test test test some more.

[madmikepags]

Hey propper whats the weight of your UL1 fully RTR and do you run 4S 1P or 2P I'm gonna go weigh my boat now.

[madmikepags]

OK the hull alone weighs 2lbs 2oz (w/ out the hatch) the boat, with a 4s pack, a hydra 240, a standard size servo, flexshaft, motor and mount and strut and rudder and a 450 prop (thats what I had lying there) and a coupler and a few other things i threw in the hull, weighs in at 4lbs 12oz- without the hatch, the hatch weighs another 7-1/2 ounces (ouch) I'll make one from lexan or balsa that will weigh less than half that so the entire boat will weigh just over 5 lbs when all is said and done. Is that way too heavy for this motor?? I can have him lay it up even a little lighter even w/ out gelcoat but I don't wanna go too crazy I'm only doing this LSH for this one race only. I really think it will be a really good p-sport boat with a 1521/1527 on 4S2P

[properchopper]

Hey propper whats the weight of your UL1 fully RTR and do you run 4S 1P or 2P I'm gonna go weigh my boat now.

The boat minus batt's is 4.25 lbs. I've been running Elite 2S 35C 5000's in series; these batteries have some serious punch. With this setup I have 15 oz. of ballast between the batteries in front to stay stable in race-like water. Total weight right around 6.50 pounds.

Yesterday's trial with the 447/3 was with 2 X 4S Neu 4100's in parallel with no ballast; all up weight was 6.25 lbs.

[ BTW the 447/3 I got from Brian was received in trade for the ABC prop you sent me about a year ago-go figure !]

[properchopper]

Oh, and one more thing. I've been looking to find a good home for my spare 1521 1.5D ; my spare Hydra 240 ; my spare Sholund 450/3. Sound familiar ? Looks like a 33" Aeromarine Hydro will be my next build. { after WW V, of course}. Will be following your and Jay's lead.

[Ub Hauled]

good call T... better then the other option.
;)

[madmikepags]

Wow so my boat will be almost 1lb lighter than your UL1 with your ballast and almost the same weight w/out ballast, and I will be 6.5lbs if I go 4S2P! that makes me think I might actually have something here, but only testing will tell. Propper I'm glad ur gonna hop on and get one of these, I'm gonna talk remy into making a lighter more streamlined turbine cowl, I will have something different for the Fla race than the stock cowl. And about the prop wasn't that just a loaner????? LOL funny how stuff works out isn't it?

[Ub Hauled]

And about the prop wasn't that just a loaner?????

LOL
BUSTED!!!!!!
Ahahahaha

[properchopper]

LOL
BUSTED!!!!!!
Ahahahaha

OK 'Ya got me 8) !

[properchopper]

I'm gonna talk remy into making a lighter more streamlined turbine cowl

I'm a little embarrased to admit that the looks of the open cockpit cowl has been holding me back [ OK, so I'm an aesthete ]. I'll commit to buying the first turbine cowl boat when available- I'll even pre-pay ; capice ?.


And about the prop wasn't that just a loaner????? LOL funny how stuff works out isn't it?

Mike, I owe you one ; just name it :)

[madmikepags]

Hey do you know how fast you were w/ the cut 447/3????

[properchopper]

Hey do you know how fast you were w/ the cut 447/3????

Not sure, didn't have the abominable truth-O-meter on board. I'll charge it up & get some readings later this week or this weekend & let you know.

[Randy Naylor]

Not sure, didn't have the abominable truth-O-meter on board. I'll charge it up & get some readings later this week or this weekend & let you know.

How come your DMWB logo works and mine does not?

[properchopper]

How come your DMWB logo works and mine does not?

Have you paid your dues lately ? :wave:

[Steven Vaccaro]

How come your DMWB logo works and mine does not?

Randy you are using a dead link.
Tony's is hosted at another site
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8417/dmwbsignomadaa2.jpg

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8417/dmwbsignomadaa2.jpg

[Flying Scotsman]

Mike and Tony..race on guys...your advice and knowledge is truly appreciated.

Douggie

[properchopper]

Mike and Tony..race on guys...your advice and knowledge is truly appreciated.

Douggie

Thanks, Douggie. I'm just passing along what I've learned from hangin' on to the guys who've been at this longer than me, and the beautiful thing is that they give so freely of their knowledge and support.:)

[properchopper]

Hey do you know how fast you were w/ the cut 447/3????

Truth-O-Meter pictures : ( after @ 5 laps with acceptable temps )

[Bill-SOCAL]

I am less impressed with the speed than the fact that you ran 10.3 miles!!! Must have been 5 VERY BIG laps :)

[properchopper]

I am less impressed with the speed than the fact that you ran 10.3 miles!!! Must have been 5 VERY BIG laps :)

It was Jan's GPS; mine didn't aquire. He didn't reset his other fields.

[madmikepags]

OK I ran the boat today and it ran really well. The first run w/ a BJ motor and a 448 prop it went fast almost 50mph but about 3 laps and poof!! The motor wasn't that hot but the wires melted and that was that. Changed to the UL-1 motor, ran 6 laps with a 442 prop and was very fast but motor came in at 195 degrees!!! YIKES. i went down to a 440 prop changed the strut depth a little and was between 45 and 50 mph and ran for 2 full minutes and the motor was 170. I can live with that. I was running in some chop and 12-15mph wind and never let off the throttle and was stable as can be. It was never upset I can run it in a field of boats and not worry about it getting squirrily. It definietlty wont be the fastest boat out there but I think it will be compettitive. I can't wait to put real P-Power in it!!!!!! and run it as a P-Sport boat.

[properchopper]

Good deal ! When I get back from AZ, I want to build one for P-Sport. Any word on Remy making a turbine cowl ?

[madmikepags]

Remy made one custom for me, but he didn't do it right, so I redid it and it looks so friggin cool, I'll send it to him and make him copy it. I'll shoot some pics later, this thing is gonna fly with just a 1515/1Y and a 1521/1.5D will be wicked I might even try my 1527/1D combo but I really think that would be way too much. I just got my Phil Thomas SS 20's yesterday, and they are way really light, I wish I could of had these in time for this race for p-spec sport but I'll have them for the nats!!!

[properchopper]

Cool. I have both a 1515 1Y and a 1521 1.5 D . I'll pre-pay for one with the turbine cowl if it'll help move it forward. Will be back from AZ on the 17th.

[mike martin]

OK I ran the boat today and it ran really well. The first run w/ a BJ motor and a 448 prop it went fast almost 50mph but about 3 laps and poof!! The motor wasn't that hot but the wires melted and that was that. Changed to the UL-1 motor, ran 6 laps with a 442 prop and was very fast but motor came in at 195 degrees!!! YIKES. i went down to a 440 prop changed the strut depth a little and was between 45 and 50 mph and ran for 2 full minutes and the motor was 170. I can live with that. I was running in some chop and 12-15mph wind and never let off the throttle and was stable as can be. It was never upset I can run it in a field of boats and not worry about it getting squirrily. It definietlty wont be the fastest boat out there but I think it will be compettitive. I can't wait to put real P-Power in it!!!!!! and run it as a P-Sport boat.

Mike our local shop keeps the ul 1 and sv motors in stock only open till 4:00 on sat thow so test the heck out of it sat morning. we usualy run around a m cut 645 but smaller boat good luck. see you in a few days

[madmikepags]

i have 2 more BJ motors and 5 ul motors so hopefully i wont need to buy anymore!!!!!

[Jeff Wohlt]

That BJ motor is a good one...you just overpropped it.

[mike martin]

i have 2 more BJ motors and 5 ul motors so hopefully i wont need to buy anymore!!!!!

I should have known better lol:)

[D.Smock]

I should have known better lol:)

I bet his props have "hair on them" too. LOL

[madmikepags]

Hey Doug u gonna b there definitely?? I Can't wait Doug Twaits and I will b there tomorrow afternoon!!!

[D.Smock]

Mike there is a real good chance work is going to get in the way. I may be replacing a seven circuit condenser coil for a rack refrigeration system on Saturday.
I should know today if the coil is going to make it to the job on time.

Doug

[madmikepags]

Man hope you can make it, really looking forward to meeting and racing w/ u!!!

[JimClark]

Alright I am uneducated as far as the class specs but am planning on building a scratch LSH shovel nose Hydro. I thought the specs for the hull were 24 to 30 inch hull? So how can a 33 inch boat even run in LSH? Is it plus or minus 3 inches for length?

Jim

[madmikepags]

Well I was under the impression that LSH is a P-power class so it falls under the rules and guidelines of the P-power classes which are 34" and under? But then again assumtion is the mother of all f--k ups!!!!

[JimClark]

I guess that makes two of us for sure. Guess I better find out if I am going to build a LSH

[madmikepags]

Well I ran it in LSH at the waveblasters race and wouldn't u know it I took second place, and First was Doug Twaits with a Larsony!! There were at least 15 guys running LSH also. This boat handled great especially when the wind and chop came up, the UL-1's were not as stable in the rougher water and i only gave up about 4 mph to the fastest boats but this boat was flawless, It took some time to get it setup right, (I played with CG and strut height and props a lot) and the motor runs a little hot. It still needs the turn fin to be stiffened up a bit, but this is my LSH boat for now with no plans on changing it up.

[D.Smock]

Very cool Mike!! Congrats!!!
Which motor and prop did you end up going with??

Doug

[Darin Jordan]

Mike,

Which motor did you end up running???

[madmikepags]

I ran the UL-1 and a very cut up X442 the temp guns said 148 on the motor but it felt hotter, we used 3 different temp probes and they were all w/in a couple of degrees so I guess it was right. The first motor I was using (also a UL-1) wasn't as fast and was getting over 200 with a 440 prop, I practiced all day say w/ that motor and ran the first heat w/ it and it ran OK, but I decided to switch to a New motor and prop up for the next heat, and I picked up about 6-7 mph and the temp was 148? go figure? I also heated my packs to almost 140 so that might have helped w/ the speed also.

[Darin Jordan]

I ran the UL-1 and a very cut up X442 the temp guns said 148 on the motor but it felt hotter, we used 3 different temp probes and they were all w/in a couple of degrees so I guess it was right. The first motor I was using (also a UL-1) wasn't as fast and was getting over 200 with a 440 prop, I practiced all day say w/ that motor and ran the first heat w/ it and it ran OK, but I decided to switch to a New motor and prop up for the next heat, and I picked up about 6-7 mph and the temp was 148? go figure? I also heated my packs to almost 140 so that might have helped w/ the speed also.

Thanks Mike...

You ought to throw a ProBoat BJ26 motor in next time and see where you can get with that. It will likely need more prop to get the speeds, but should get there and stay cooler... It would be an interesting data point to have for comparison...

[madmikepags]

I ran the BJ motor with a cut 448 and it lasted about a minute until it fried the wires and melted the insulation, so I might try it again but the wires on the UL-1 seem to have much better insulation than the BJ motor. The first UL motor I got up to over 230 degrees and nothing happened to it.

[calcagno45]

Mike, do you think Aeromarine's Sport 40 hydro, The Shadow Sport 40, will be a good choice for rougher water as well, and possibly have similiar performance to this Sport20 hull? Or no comment?

Or would I be safe to stay with the PT SS45 or Whiplash 40?

[Ub Hauled]

I ran the BJ motor with a cut 448 and it lasted about a minute until it fried the wires and melted the insulation, so I might try it again but the wires on the UL-1 seem to have much better insulation than the BJ motor. The first UL motor I got up to over 230 degrees and nothing happened to it.

I think you got lucky with this motor, hehehehe.

[madmikepags]

Aeromarines sport 40 is a good boat also, I have not run it at its highest potential, only really on 5S and twice on 6S and a 12XL as a sport setup but I think on 6S and a 12XL with some testing it would run great, I actually have 4 of them and if you want to buy one almost RTR I will sell it for $250, thats hull, hardware (cheap aeromarine stuff nothing special) motor(12XL) and servo, also including flex shaft drive dog and coupler. I think the PT and whiplash are great hulls and I've seen both of them run now. Without doing some more testing I couldn't tell you for sure if the Aeromarines boat could hang w/ them but I will find out!!!

[calcagno45]

I wish I would have asked this before I just spent $500...