2010 NAMBA Nats

[Don Wollard]

Fellas .....

Ken Haines posted in another thread a few comments re the 2010 Nats. Just wanted to get Ken's announcement into the main stream. As follows;

Hey guys,
I guess we need to share the nats situation with everyone.

This is unofficial and tentative, but have had lengthy conversations with
Al Waters, Terry Davis, Dave Newland, Mike Martin, and many others at the nats. Due to my crazy work schedule next year (2010) we are deferring the nats to Dave Newland's SCal FE club and he is deciding where to have it. This will most likely be in LA. at Legg Lake.

The Wave Blasters of Florida, our club, will host the nats in 2011. Again still tentative that would be a spring race in either April or May to avoid the hot Florida summer and the fall hurricane season. Then in 2012 again still tentative, the discussion with Al was to have a combined nats in the Northeast, I believe at Dougie,Eddie, and Mike Pag's club.

Just an update, more info on nats is forthcoming.
Thanks, Ken

[Don Wollard]

I suppose this is, what it is. I am disappointed the Nats wont be in Florida, But totally understand having a crazy work schedule. I have been working on a new fleet (ground up) for 2010 .... maybe I will slow down now and concentrate on a couple of SAW hulls.

Hey ...whats the deal with a combined Nats. Yikes!!!!!!! Will the FE contingent get lost in the smoke? That concerns me.

[D. Newland]

Don-I'd recommend dropping a line to Rychalsky and/or Waters about it. I've had some conversations about it, but the idea is barely in it's infancy stages...a ton of work would need to be done in order to pull it off. Gas/Nitro Nat's go 9 days, we go 4. That's just for starters.

The idea of combined racing has its merits, but I still wonder if a "Nat's" format is the best venue to showcase this type of gathering at this time. Maybe as time goes by and planning really starts to take shape, I'll think differently.

I can see a solid regional event (3-4 days) doing it and giving each power class 3-4 classes to run each day. Az has done it already...Ohio has done it, too. And we kind-of did it at the '09 Gas Nat's this year. Well, we only ran 1 class each day, but it could have easily been more. 2010 IMPBA Internats will have FE representation, again in Ohio.

Whatever happens in 2012, I'll be in full support of whatever the NAMBA wants to get done. I feel we've got some great momentum in FE right now and it feels good to see gas/nitro racers take notice at what FE is doing (both performance on the water and overall perspective/respect for the hobby).

[hydronut]

Well we have been kicking around the idea of Trying to host an FE nats in Colorado. After some discussion with our district director, We MAY Throw our hat in for consideration, What does everyone think about a young club hosting the FE NATS in Greeley Colorado. NOTHING IS IN PLACE ONLY THOUGHTS AND DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT.:eek:

[Darin Jordan]

Well we have been kicking around the idea of Trying to host an FE nats in Colorado. After some discussion with our district director, We MAY Throw our hat in for consideration, What does everyone think about a young club hosting the FE NATS in Greeley Colorado. NOTHING IS IN PLACE ONLY THOUGHTS AND DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT.:eek:

I'm game! My wife and I LOVE going to Colorado! Would be a VERY easy sell on my end!!! :yeah:

[Ub Hauled]

Can you say So-Cal!!!
;)

[hydronut]

Can you say So-Cal!!!
;)

Ya I can say it and even use it in a sentence. Here you go. I lived in So Cal for a long time, Glad thats over. Too many people!!! To many problems.:yeah:

[rockwerks]

Ya I can say it and even use it in a sentence. Here you go. I lived in So Cal for a long time, Glad thats over. Too many people!!! To many problems.:yeah:

I can use in a sentence also:

Colorado is 100% better than SO. CAL. :moon:

Where in CO?

[hydronut]

I can use in a sentence also:

Colorado is 100% better than SO. CAL. :moon:

Where in CO?

I'm in Southern Colorado, South Pueblo, We are thinking about the nats in Greeley. Northern Co. Just out side of Denver.

[rockwerks]

I'm in Southern Colorado, South Pueblo, We are thinking about the nats in Greeley. Northern Co. Just out side of Denver.

My EX bro in law lives in Greeley Lots of water there! nice place

[hydronut]

My EX bro in law lives in Greeley Lots of water there! nice place

Most of Colorado is pretty Nice, Thats why I came back!

[Big Bopper]

The 2008 NAMBA Nitro and Gas nats were held at this site in Greeley CO .Here is some Photos if the race site.

[Ub Hauled]

Ya I can say it and even use it in a sentence. Here you go. I lived in So Cal for a long time, Glad thats over. Too many people!!! To many problems.:yeah:

Rod, don't be so harsh, CA has it's low points, no state is perfect, but it's a nice state, that's why everybody wants to live here... besides, we could host racing here year around, weather is great, winters are not too cold at all.
Aside of that, you will not have to put up with all the people in CA, only the boaters :), there are Hotels close to Legg Lake and traffic is inexistent to/from the lake.
Let's not close doors right from the beginning. :yeah:

[D. Newland]

Rod-Are you talking about 2010?

[hydronut]

Not sure, but possible? Like I said just discussion, Perhaps another option. Just throwing it out there. Thats why I'm asking. Had a few folks ask as we are in the middle of the country.

[hydronut]

Rod, don't be so harsh, CA has it's low points, no state is perfect, but it's a nice state, that's why everybody wants to live here... besides, we could host racing here year around, weather is great, winters are not too cold at all.
Aside of that, you will not have to put up with all the people in CA, only the boaters :), there are Hotels close to Legg Lake and traffic is inexistent to/from the lake.
Let's not close doors right from the beginning. :yeah:

Giving you CA boys a rash, We think we're perfect, but hey what do we know we have very little oxygen up here.:eek:

[JimClark]

Rod

Colorado would make a nice summertime vacation. Maybe I could talk the wife into coming and spend some time photographing the Nats for you guy's?

Jim

[hydronut]

Rod

Colorado would make a nice summertime vacation. Maybe I could talk the wife into coming and spend some time photographing the Nats for you guy's?

Jim

That would be great Jim, BUT........ don't make plans yet. Just thinking with the keyboard. LOL

[Big Bopper]

Rod ,If the FE Nats were to come to Colorado in 2010 (or in the future) you have the full support of Northern Colorado Nitro Burners .The City of Greeley will welcome the chance to have the FE Nats in there city.Let me know how we can help you .

[hydronut]

Rod ,If the FE Nats were to come to Colorado in 2010 (or in the future) you have the full support of Northern Colorado Nitro Burners .The City of Greeley will welcome the chance to have the FE Nats in there city.Let me know how we can help you .

Chris,Thank You and NCNB, We will be having some conversations this week and will keep you abreast of any thoughts and plans. Your Experience and support would be apprieciated and needed in the event we decide you go forward. THANKS AGAIN :thumup:

[jstolz]

Rod,

If you guys do the Nationals next year, I may even come. I haven't set foot in Colorado since the mid 80's. That would be very cool. I would get a chance to see the mountains again. It's been over ten years since I left the Wasatch Front in Northern Utah.

[Don Wollard]

Colorado! Cool idea :yeah:

[Ub Hauled]

well, if you guys really scrap CA, I have a good friend in CO that I have not seen in a while...
so, let me ask this, are there Hotels, camping grounds or any other type features near the particular pond we are talking about in Greeley? how about Hobby shops? Anything you can tell us Rod (or anyone else)? Is it Sanborn Park?

[Big Bopper]

Yes it is Sandborn park. As far as hobby shops they have in Greeley one is mostly planes and the outher one closed up about a month ago. But there is one Ft Collins (1/2 hr away) or one in Longmont (about 1/2 hr away ) also Denver is only 45 min to 1hr away .There is hotels only 5 to 10 min away from the lake .A camp ground is about 10 to 15 min away from the lake .Grocery store and reataurants within walking from the lake . Estes Park CO / Rocky Moutan National Park are only about 40mi away. Hope this helps some .

[Ub Hauled]

thanks, I am sure that will help the cause
;)

[eddieh]

Hmmmm Colorado? something about Colorado??? hmmmmmmm


I Know!

coors!


Boating and Beer, my gawd!!! it could be heaven LOL.....

[chuckc]

Now, cut that out...LOL

Wonder if they want to sponsor a boat. What a pitman!

[Ub Hauled]

Hmmmm Colorado? something about Colorado??? hmmmmmmm
I Know!
coors!
Boating and Beer, my gawd!!! it could be heaven LOL.....

LOL, I have a good friend that lives in Golden, where Coors is... the brewery is literally 1/4 of the size of Golden... it's funny to see how big that thing is... BTW, they offer tours... and beer...

[chuckc]

LOL, I have a good friend that lives in Golden, where Coors is... the brewery is literally 1/4 of the size of Golden... it's funny to see how big that thing is... BTW, they offer tours... and beer...

Hey Rod, quit talkin and do something man, FREE BEER, we'll never see Eddie until morning or close to noon :eek: (whatever happened to our beer icon by the way, we need some new one's too )

Let's see 18 hrs from Detroit, this might just work............. 10th scale, OPC, LSH. man, come'on, DO IT!!!!! and I don't have to run the Rescue Boat or corner judge, or nuttin, but race......:yeah: just kidding, I'd help you guy's out, you were great here, so, I'd at least reciprocate. :hail:

[Bill-SOCAL]

As much as I know Colorado is a nice place I am REALLY hoping that the NATS will be at Legg Lake. 46 miles versus 855 miles. Strictly selfish reasons. That and Legg is one of the nicest boat racing venues you will ever see.

Big shade trees, an awesome drivers stand, freeway close, lots of hotels and restaurants, AND you can bring you dog with you into the park!!!

[hydronut]

As much as I know Colorado is a nice place I am REALLY hoping that the NATS will be at Legg Lake. 46 miles versus 855 miles. Strictly selfish reasons. That and Legg is one of the nicest boat racing venues you will ever see.

Big shade trees, an awesome drivers stand, freeway close, lots of hotels and restaurants, AND you can bring you dog with you into the park!!!

This is Colorado, we take our dogs everywhere, Out to dinner, to a movie, to bed. whoops forget the last part. LOL.

[chuckc]

This is Colorado, we take our dogs everywhere, Out to dinner, to to a movie, to bed. whoops forget the last part. L.

I almost said something similar, but thought better !! lol

[T.S.Davis]

Colorado huh? That's driveable from here isn't it?

........ya know. I can think of a real good CD that you may be able to con into piling into my truck to make the trip. Just think'n out loud.

[Bill-SOCAL]

This is what I was referring to:


Public Nuisance-Presence of Animals in Parks

All parks in the City of Greeley with the exception of Rover run and Island Grove Park have been posted "No animals Allowed". This does not apply to seeing eye dogs, dogs trained as ears for the deaf, handicapped assistance dogs, government owned animals participating in shows or exhibits that are conducted in compliance with officially sanctioned activities.(Code 10.28.080) Rover run is a dog park and are allowed without a leash, Island Grove Park allowes dogs on leash.

[Big Bopper]

Would no dogs allowed stop you from racing?

[hydronut]

Colorado huh? That's driveable from here isn't it?

........ya know. I can think of a real good CD that you may be able to con into piling into my truck to make the trip. Just think'n out loud.

Yes it is driveable we just did it, not too bad a trip. AND WE'ED LOVE TO HAVE YOU after all we may need some direction. CDirection.:yeah:

[hydronut]

As much as I know Colorado is a nice place I am REALLY hoping that the NATS will be at Legg Lake. 46 miles versus 855 miles. Strictly selfish reasons. That and Legg is one of the nicest boat racing venues you will ever see.

Big shade trees, an awesome drivers stand, freeway close, lots of hotels and restaurants, AND you can bring you dog with you into the park!!!

Hey something just came to my attention, You guys are already having 2011 NAMBA NATs , on Legg Lake that would be 2 years in a row for a large event at the same venue!:confused:

[chuckc]

Hey something just came to my attention, You guys are already having 2011 NAMBA NATs , on Legg Lake that would be 2 years in a row for a large event at the same venue!:confused:
So your problem is , quit talkin and do something, step up bouys, You all saw the best we could do... Just do it Rod... come on my buddy, pal,pit guy, Stand up and say YES!!

[Bill-SOCAL]

Would no dogs allowed stop you from racing?

Nope, I was just having some fun, a park that does not allow dogs.

What will stop me is the nearly 900 mile drive. I am just not up for the long hauls any more.

[Bill-SOCAL]

Hey something just came to my attention, You guys are already having 2011 NAMBA NATs , on Legg Lake that would be 2 years in a row for a large event at the same venue!:confused:

Just proving what a outstanding venue it is!! Also has some of the fastest water on Earth. Many, many records set at Legg!! I'm happy that I can call it my home lake!!

[Patrick M]

Hey something just came to my attention, You guys are already having 2011 NAMBA NATs , on Legg Lake that would be 2 years in a row for a large event at the same venue!:confused:The event will be hosted by the Scottsdale Model Boaters an Arizona club with the assistance of the SoCal FE group. No one wants to race in AZ August conditions (115 degrees or thereabouts...) so arrangements have been made to "borrow" the Legg Lake venue.

[hydronut]

:yeah:RMTB and Namba district 20 Do want to bid the 2010 FE NATS. The sight will be at Sanborn Park in Greeley Colorado. I have had several conversations with RMTB membership, Namba 20 District Director Robert Holland , Northern Colorado Nitro Burners President Chris Bopp. Everyone is on board and supportive, so we are requesting Consideration for the NAMBA 2010 FE NATS! :eek:

[T.S.Davis]

SMB from Arizona had already been given the nod so to change that would require them to agree and approval from Al Waters himself.......well, I think that's how it would go. Not my yob anymore.

[hydronut]

SMB from Arizona had already been given the nod so to change that would require them to agree and approval from Al Waters himself.......well, I think that's how it would go. Not my yob anymore.

Im' sure its all up to the powers that be, But another option to consider, you know what they say "Nothing Ventured Nothing Gained" We are willing and have the support if given the opportunity.:thumup:

[T.S.Davis]

Rod, get a hold of Dave. If you guys and Al can all agree I'm sure it would be fine. I think it's great that there are multiple groups willing and able to host.

[Bill-SOCAL]

:yeah:RMTB and Namba district 20 Do want to bid the 2010 FE NATS. The sight will be at Sanborn Park in Greeley Colorado. I have had several conversations with RMTB membership, Namba 20 District Director Robert Holland , Northern Colorado Nitro Burners President Chris Bopp. Everyone is on board and supportive, so we are requesting Consideration for the NAMBA 2010 FE NATS! :eek:

I am unclear as to the exact process, but I am certain that a post here is not part of it. I think your club needs to contact Al Waters, the current NAMBA President, and inform him of your desire. He can tell you how to proceed from there.

My question is: what can you offer that the SMB/Legg cannot and why should the NAMBA Leadership consider a change at this point since the location has more or less been selected. Why not shoot for 2011 versus trying to pull the rug out from underneath the SMB??

[hydronut]

I am unclear as to the exact process, but I am certain that a post here is not part of it. I think your club needs to contact Al Waters, the current NAMBA President, and inform him of your desire. He an tell you how to proceed from there.

You right, we are following the chain of command, we have informed our district director of our intentions. He will be in contact with Mr. Waters I'm sure. This is more a testing the water phase to see if any strong objections. Just letting the folks who follow FE Know up front of our request and desires.:thumup:

[hydronut]

If SMB is ready to proceed we are more then willing to bow out at this time and move to a later time. We have nothing vested. But if folks want a more central location and tested, proven venue, we are offering, and willing to put it together. Not trying to pull the "RUG"

[T.S.Davis]

Bill, that's exactly the right way to handle it.

I don't think SMB actually requested to host. Florida was going to do it but they decided they weren't ready. So we started harrassing the Arizona guys. It was kind of a "Hey, do you guys wanna host?" kind of thing. That's my recollection at least. I could be off a little.

We had a similar situation in 2005. It was Jersey's turn. They were slated for it. MMEU got permission from NAMBA and Jersey passed on their turn. If I remember there was a lot of water testing just like Rod is doing to see if anyone would actually come. Worked out in the end. Good or bad it was the biggest nats ever. I think it turned out to be the biggest FE only race in NAMBA history.

[hydronut]

Bill, that's exactly the right way to handle it.

I don't think SMB actually requested to host. Florida was going to do it but they decided they weren't ready. So we started harrassing the Arizona guys. It was kind of a "Hey, do you guys wanna host?" kind of thing. That's my recollection at least. I could be off a little.

We had a similar situation in 2005. It was Jersey's turn. They were slated for it. MMEU got permission from NAMBA and Jersey passed on their turn. If I remember there was a lot of water testing just like Rod is doing to see if anyone would actually come. Worked out in the end. Good or bad it was the biggest nats ever. I think it turned out to be the biggest FE only race in NAMBA history.

When Florida withdrew is only when RMTB conversations for 2010 began.

[Bill-SOCAL]

I misunderstood the situation. I thought it was a done deal for SMB/Legg. If that is not the case then it really is open to any group that wants to propose holding the event. I got excited about it being in my backyard.

[hydronut]

I misunderstood the situation. I thought it was a done deal for SMB/Legg. If that is not the case then it really is open to any group that wants to propose holding the event. I got excited about it being in my backyard.

I fully understand your excitement about being in your "back yard", now I have this other feeling...........What the hell have I gotten myself in too:eek:

[D. Newland]

...

I don't think SMB actually requested to host. Florida was going to do it but they decided they weren't ready. So we started harrassing the Arizona guys. It was kind of a "Hey, do you guys wanna host?" kind of thing. That's my recollection at least. I could be off a little.



This is accurate. Az and SoCal FE were asked to to step up because NAMBA didn't want an FE nat's void in 2010. When Rod posted last week posing the Colorado host question, I sent him a note offering my support, but to also get it run into a corner ASAP so Az/SoCal knew what direction to go. Rod got to work, and got it done. There are a few more details to work out with the formal bid, but nothing that will hinder his clubs plans IMO. I think a Colorado venue will be good, too, just as Legg Lake would have been...and will be at some point in the future.

[hydronut]

this is accurate. Az and socal fe were asked to to step up because namba didn't want an fe nat's void in 2010. When rod posted last week posing the colorado host question, i sent him a note offering my support, but to also get it run into a corner asap so az/socal knew what direction to go. Rod got to work, and got it done. There are a few more details to work out with the formal bid, but nothing that will hinder his clubs plans imo. I think a colorado venue will be good, too, just as legg lake would have been...and will be at some point in the future. ......gulp!!!

[Ken Haines]

Hey Rod,
It's great that there is now multiple interest in hosting the Nat's.
Terry pretty accurately summed things up.
I think you should contact Al Waters, but first you really need to talk to Dave Newland to see where they are at with things. Having communicated with Al about the 2010 and now 2011 Nat's I'm pretty sure the first question will be
"have you spoken with Dave about this yet"
Just my 2 cents but keeping everyone talking and on good terms is what we all need to continue doing in FE. The past Nats was certainly a great example of everyone coming together despite not all agreeing on absolutely everything.
Everyone seemed to come and race on good terms and left on even better terms and made many new friends.
I for one would be good with either club hosting 2010. I will be there which ever way it goes.
Good Luck,
Ken :yeah:

[hydronut]

Dave and I have had some conversation, If they want it and are ready we will also support their cause. Please See Daves post # 53

[T.S.Davis]

I got excited about it being in my backyard.

It's very cool having it in your back yard but not for the reasons I thought it would be. It's awesome to have people come in and show them a good time. To the best of your ability of course. The bad thing is that the host clubs racing generally sucks. Your so scatter brained you screw up things you don't even think about normally. Spec rigger going backwards. Fred killing those buoy still makes me laugh. He never hits buoys. That's my job.

Sending people home whipp'd and grinning. That's where the fun is.

[eddieh]

Ok I am probably just missing something florida did not withdraw, they asked to host in 2011 instead of 2010, ( as Terry said this has been done before ) but I thought the Florida folks wanted it in 2011. then jersey 2012.

I thought some guys in Florida still wanted it in 2010? gets very confusing LOL...

anyway We will support you guys however we can, Not sure I can make it to either venue, it is 31-32 driving hours from jersey to sanborn creek? even farther to legg lake, but no matter we are here for you....

[T.S.Davis]

That's the way I remember it too Eddie. Florida 2011. Withdrew maybe isn't the right term. Same thing we did with you guys in 05.

Before we were too deep into this last nats I said to Fred one evening "what if we just hosted the nats every year?" bahahahaha Hey, it sounded good at the time.

[chuckc]

That's the way I remember it too Eddie. Florida 2011. Withdrew maybe isn't the right term. Same thing we did with you guys in 05. Before we were too deep into this last nats I said to Fred one evening "what if we just hosted the nats every year?" bahahahaha Hey, it sounded good at the time.

I don't care where it is, as long that's it's somewhat warm at night, Just got my toes thawed out from Sept. Let's take at least a years break, I wanna race more than 2 classes. :bounce:

[chuckc]

oh, and not having to bathe in the lake. :eek:

[properchopper]

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